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nowhereman136 t1_ixx0xi7 wrote

I really only know Hoskins from Who Framed Roger Rabbit, but I keep hearing stories about him and think I should look up his larger filmography

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IMakeBandNames t1_ixx4lsx wrote

Bob Hoskins. The “bench player who never checks in” of Hollywood.

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Puntas13 t1_ixx5y0u wrote

The Long Good Friday was an excellent film. He was good in "The Wall". I know Hook wasn't well rated but he was a great Smee.

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IdleReader t1_ixx6ph0 wrote

He was good in Zulu Dawn. Awesome flick.

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LostNTheNoise t1_ixx747m wrote

I literally just finished the DePalma documentary (it's on Tubi). Fascinating man. Best part was hearing how Sean Penn treated Michael J. Fox on Casualties Of War.

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zombieinferno t1_ixxfztw wrote

I wish people would pay me thousands of dollars to NOT do stuff.

That sounds like a dream job.

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Alternative_Effort t1_ixxhpvb wrote

Replying to zombieinferno (#699,987)

Major Major's father was a sober God-fearing man whose idea of a good joke was to lie about his age. He was a long-limbed farmer, a God-fearing, freedom-loving, law-abiding rugged individualist who held that federal aid to anyone but farmers was creeping socialism. He advocated thrift and hard work and disapproved of loose women who turned him down. His specialty was alfalfa, and he made a good thing out of not growing any. The government paid him well for every bushel of alfalfa he did not grow. The more alfalfa he did not grow, the more money the government gave him, and he spent every penny he didn't earn on new land to increase the amount of alfalfa he did not produce. Major Major's father worked without rest at not growing alfalfa. On long winter evenings he remained indoors and did not mend harness, and he sprang out of bed at the crack of noon every day just to make certain that the chores would not be done. He invested in land wisely and soon was not growing more alfalfa than any other man in the county. Neighbors sought him out for advice on all subjects, for he had made much money and was therefore wise. “As ye sow, so shall ye reap,” he counseled one and all, and everyone said, “Amen.”

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Alternative_Effort t1_ixxhxcw wrote

I would have loved to see Hoskin's take on Capone. De Niro is great, but he's also De Niro -- a force unto himself.

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square3481 t1_ixxi6bg wrote

Thank goodness for pay-or-play contracts.

Same thing happened when Johnny Depp was let go for the Fantastic Beasts sequel. Since he wasn't fired for cause, they had to pay him per his contract.

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WR810 t1_ixxj028 wrote

Replying to zombieinferno (#699,987)

To be fair Hoskin wasn't paid for "not doing stuff".

He was paid for being a marketable, talented actor and for potentially having unwanted downtime. Less marketable and talented than De Niro but enough so that he was worth paying to have as a second choice.

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Demurist t1_ixxjsui wrote

This was the time when DeNiro was experimenting with vampirism, so sometimes he wouldn’t appear on film.

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RangeWilson t1_ixxlwti wrote

Reminds me of when A-list Hollywood screenwriters would attach themselves as director to a script, even if they didn't want to direct it.

The studio that won the bidding war for their script would then pay them an additional $200,000 (or whatever) if they would agree not to direct it.

Nice work if you can get it.

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kmvaa14 t1_ixxne5g wrote

Bob Hoskins probably would have been a better casting.

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dwellerofcubes t1_ixxqut2 wrote

Replying to DayOldTurkeySandwich (#698,514)

This comment cut so close I had swiped back to escape its truth, and then had to come back and find it again just to say this.

That dude...I think he watched the first season of Blue Mountain State and really took it to heart.

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Polymemnetic t1_ixxuwa6 wrote

Replying to BigPapaChuck73 (#699,629)

If there's one thing Turner was good at, it was paying guys who didn't deserve it way too much money. And in the end, it almost worked. They almost killed WWF. Macho finessed the shit out of him with that deal, though.

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rbhindepmo t1_ixy0fiu wrote

Replying to BigPapaChuck73 (#699,629)

At one time they bought a trademark for the name Gorgeous George with the thought of having Lanny work under that name.

Instead they gave the name to Randy Savage’s midlife crisis stripper girlfriend and the wrestler who sold the name got a WCW gig as “The Maestro”

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CrasVox t1_ixy30tk wrote

Too bad they didn't go with Hoskins. De Niro was a terrible Capone in an otherwise fantastic film.

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borkamork t1_ixy4kmn wrote

My favorite moment in any movie, is the moment in Who Framed Roger Rabbit, where Eddie smiles at Betty Boop because she's "still got it". Hoskins is a GOAT.

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PVR_Skep t1_ixya2f3 wrote

I wish they'd gotten Danny DeVito to play Capone. Would have been hilarious!!

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anephric_1 t1_ixygp39 wrote

Replying to Seienchin88 (#704,121)

Pay-or-Play requires that the person be available for that block of time, so if they could have been making another film and lost their going rate because of the Pay-or-Play falling through, they get paid regardless, because it may be too late to get attached to another project.

It seems ludicrous but it makes sense when you're dealing with people at this level and talent having to pencil in months on their calendar when they've booked work.

John Carpenter commented he could've made a perfectly fine living in Hollywood writing and selling scripts that never got anywhere near being greenlit. Just being paid well to write things maybe ten people would read.

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No_Pen9448 t1_ixyhw72 wrote

Replying to WR810 (#700,413)

It still seems like a stupid decision and I hope the money came out of De Palma’s OWN WALLET and not counted as production costs. You pay people to do a job, not pay them IN CASE something happens. That’s why Hollywood is so hated because they pull this kind of shit .

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No_Pen9448 t1_ixyi3y1 wrote

Replying to RangeWilson (#700,856)

Oh you mean those “A list” writers who happen to get 30 percent on rotten tomatoes and then see their movies bomb? Lol.

Hollywood is a joke and I’ve made half-assed efforts of getting in and I will probably never get in because I simply don’t have the connections. Being sent rejection notices for unsolicited material makes me laugh and just reminds me the industry is all just a “rich boys club”.

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Libertyforzombies t1_ixyi9q8 wrote

Ha, that's a funny story. I love that film but I'd be lying if I said I'd not like to see another version with Hoskins.

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The_Truthkeeper t1_ixyixkv wrote

Replying to Zigismund (#704,392)

I still maintain that if they had scrapped everything related to Super Mario Bros and just made it a movie about two New York plumbers fighting the mob like the first half hour, it would have been a much better product.

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extra_pickles t1_ixyjj5i wrote

And then Brian got him back by recommending he play Super Mario…. Aka Hoskin’s lymphoma

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Vince_Clortho042 t1_ixykhz9 wrote

Replying to square3481 (#700,282)

I think Denzel getting paid his full salary twice on American Gangster (once when it was greenlit but fell apart just before shooting, and then again when it came back as a Ridley Scott joint) is still the greatest pay-or-play exploit ever.

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EducationalSundae486 t1_ixylyut wrote

I recommend Jamie T video.for the song Sheila. Bob Hoskins play a grieving father throughout mime rapping Jamie T's immense song.

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alexkidd_in_world t1_ixymcj3 wrote

Replying to No_Pen9448 (#704,661)

The role of Capone was pretty critical to the movie. De Palma couldn't risk having some idiot who didn't have any work come time to shoot so he took $200k of the production cost to ensure that no matter what, the shoot could go ahead. It's not that wild.

A delay in shooting would have cost considerably more money. Seems like a smart move to have a contingency plan.

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WR810 t1_ixyni33 wrote

Replying to No_Pen9448 (#704,661)

You're going to lose your head when you find out play or pay contracts are pretty standard in Hollywood.

The whole main cast of Westworld just got paid for a fifth season that will never happen for instance. Billy Dee Williams famously had one for Harvey Dent / Two Face in the early '90s.

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11061995 t1_ixyo96n wrote

Replying to CrasVox (#703,033)

Dinero is too subtle and intellectual for Capone. Hoskins had the just-under-the-surface threat of explosive ignorant violence that would have elevated his Capone.

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RangeWilson t1_ixyp0kp wrote

Replying to No_Pen9448 (#704,678)

>Oh you mean those “A list” writers who happen to get 30 percent on rotten tomatoes and then see their movies bomb? Lol.

A movie is never going to be better than its script, and there are 100 ways it can go wrong once the writer is done writing.

>Hollywood is a joke and I’ve made half-assed efforts of getting in and I will probably never get in because I simply don’t have the connections.

I knew nobody when I moved to L.A., but I eventually landed an assistant job at an A-list prodco by learning the ropes and using my charm and intelligence to make myself memorable.

Unfortunately I was not a good enough writer to break through, but that part was on me.

>Being sent rejection notices for unsolicited material makes me laugh and just reminds me the industry is all just a “rich boys club”.

Sending unsolicited material shows that you don't know a damn thing about how Hollywood actually works. Maybe you should learn, as a first step.

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terekkincaid t1_ixyrl4i wrote

Replying to 11061995 (#705,369)

No, he just phoned in what I consider to be one of (if not the) shittiest performances of his career. Everyone else killed it in that movie and Di Niro acted like some Dick Tracey cartoon character. Just awful.

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cromli t1_ixys8l1 wrote

Replying to mctacoflurry (#697,906)

As an aside I dont think ive ever seen any other bigger budget films or show that just completely swerved away from the tone and the story of the source material in the same extreme way. I know in stuff like The Shining and Starship Troopers the directors changed what the stories are about but kept the broad strokes of things in the books, this was more like 'Plumbers and lizards? Say no more'!

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Wimbleston t1_ixyv7s8 wrote

I'd not be in their movie for $175,000 and that's my final offer

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critch t1_ixz0g2g wrote

Replying to No_Pen9448 (#704,661)

He was paid to be 'on call' in case he was needed. That happens millions of times every day.

Nobody in the world besides you cares about someone getting paid for a pay-or-play contract. Hell, it's a part of the Animaniacs opening.

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Vegas616 t1_ixzb6us wrote

Bob Hoskins' misogynist racist creepy Iago in the BBC Othello (with Anthony Hopkins' moor) is about the best thing he did...

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brkh47 t1_ixzg1to wrote

Replying to i010011010 (#704,810)

My first reaction. He looks more like Al Capone.

That said, recently heard an interview with James Cameron and he said he almost didn’t cast Kate Winslet as Rose in The Titanic. The reason being she’d been making a name for herself in period pieces and was being called Corset Kate. He thought if he cast her, it would be “lazy casting“ and was going to go for someone like Gwyneth Paltrow. Had no idea there was such a thing as lazy casting.

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ekimdad t1_ixzhtc6 wrote

Nice. And I'm not normally the guy who does thus online, but this one is one of my biggest pet peeves...there is no such word as 'casted'. The past tense of cast, is cast.

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EthanSayfo t1_ixzhyk6 wrote

Replying to twent4 (#701,566)

Hah, totally forgot about this (I haven't seen The Wall in probably a quarter century or more).

The one time I got busted by the parents with a friend smoking weed at home as a teenager, we had been watching that movie. I didn't get in any real trouble.

Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar, you're gonna go farYou're gonna fly, you're never gonna dieYou're gonna make it if you try, they're gonna love you

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Grinderiny t1_ixzk194 wrote

Replying to brkh47 (#709,704)

It's also called 'type casting' , where an actor is cast in a role because they've made a name for themselves in a similar role before. The Rock I feel is typecast a lot. One of the things where he wasn't was Ballers.

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Ender182 t1_ixzoof2 wrote

Not casted, just cast.

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aZamaryk t1_ixzqjcx wrote

You know, I'm somewhat of a bench actor myself.

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htownaway t1_ixzqujo wrote

Replying to Cryse_XIII (#704,610)

I saw it as a child so I thought it was pretty good. It ended on a little cliff hanger so I kept waiting for the sequel to come out, I didn’t understand that bad movies didn’t get to have wide release sequels

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BrewtusMaximus1 t1_ixzrgi5 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#700,198)

Nope. There’s multiple meanings to the word “cast.” One meaning - the one used here - is to assign the roles to actors. Past tense of that is “casted.”

The meaning you’re likely reading - to be assigned a role - uses “was cast” as its past tense.

Bob Hoskins was cast.

Brian de Palma casted the film.

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gogoluke t1_ixzt25i wrote

Replying to nowhereman136 (#697,713)

He had surprising range despite looking like an English Danny Devito (and that's not a besmirch on Devito) he did comedy and drama in equal measure and his dramatic roles ranged from cocky mob boss in Long Good Friday to creepy pedophile in Felicia's Journey to somewhat innocent bystander in Mona Lisa. He was equally at home in surreal things Brazil or kitchen sync or pure slapstick like Roger Rabbit. Seemed to be genuinely loved in acting circles too.

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Stillstuckinarizona t1_ixzuh3j wrote

Good God, I remember watching that movie soooooo many times on the VCR in my parents basement when I was a kid.

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ClydeinLimbo t1_iy04ygh wrote

Bob Hoskins used to stay at the spa I worked at in England. Really nice guy.

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ekimdad t1_iy0cz9v wrote

Replying to Smudge777 (#714,425)

Actually it supports both. The word casted is technically correct circa the 14th century. It is starting to come back, but the common usage is cast. So you're right on a technicality, and I'm correct on common usage. But you know what, at the end of the day it doesn't really matter. You do you.

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psyclopes t1_iy148w0 wrote

Replying to BrewtusMaximus1 (#711,519)

Casted is an incorrect past tense conjugation of the verb cast. Since cast rhymes with other past tense verbs like passed and gassed, you can use the rhymes as a reminder that it can function as its own past tense conjugation.

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SirLavish t1_iy1ey9l wrote

Funny how different dimensions pan out,

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TatteredCarcosa t1_iybs097 wrote

Replying to Grinderiny (#710,313)

Also Southland Tales where all the characters were consciously cast against type. The Rock plays a cowardly, anxious actor. It's a terrible movie, but the casting and performances are interesting. Also notable is Jon Lovitz plays a scary, casually violent corrupt cop.

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