Submitted by thebaerfetus t3_10lq8oy in vermont
How do single, BA-only teachers survive on teacher salary in Vermont? Do you feel you have to sacrifice many pleasures to keep teaching?
Submitted by thebaerfetus t3_10lq8oy in vermont
How do single, BA-only teachers survive on teacher salary in Vermont? Do you feel you have to sacrifice many pleasures to keep teaching?
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You will need a roommate and to be frugal.
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I think it’s hard for single-income, entry level professionals to get by in VT in general, not just teachers!
>I think it’s hard for single-income, entry level professionals to get by in VT in general, not just teachers!
you mean in America, this is not a VT only problem.
Starting pay for a lot of school districts in Texas is 60K now.
That's true only in cities/wealthy suburbs, where $60K is really not a sustainable single income.
Cities and suburbs yes, but it is sustainable in Dallas, Ft. Worth, San Antonio, Houston, Ft. Worth. It's not just wealthy suburbs. So it is sustainable. You're not making that in rural areas, no way.
My definition of "sustainable" might be a little ambitious, I guess. 60K in any of those cities' cheaper areas could get you a tolerable apartment and you won't be on a starvation diet, but you're not saving up to buy a house and any serious medical issue will wipe you out.
I used to be a legislative analyst for a Texas house member who sat on the education committee and one of the big issues I handled was teacher salaries. I'm a little rusty now but I have a pretty good idea of the situation.
I taught in Austin ISD for 6 years and made around $47K and with my wife working at time Warner, it was tough. We did manage to buy a condo in east Austin and made a good profit, moved to DFW so she could go to school to be an RN but had to move back in w my parents to accomplish that. We are at least in a spot now where we can sell here and take the pay cut to live where we want to be. I guess looking back we were racking up credit card debt to make it work and at $84K I'm now making progress with savings.
$60K to teach is still pretty good for starting pay with a BA and I wouldn't consider NRH or Hurst wealthy suburbs compared to Colleyville or grapevine
Vermont is a third world country disguised as a state. Like any third world country if u have some money it’s absolutely great . If your just a commoner it’ll bleed u poor. Plus Every time I go to or thru VT I get a traffic ticket . Troopers sheriffs town cops are earning their salaries that’s for sure. If your a jerk u obviously deserve to be ticketed. But there something else. Lived there for many years
Slow down
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D+ for trolling effort.
Trolling?
Teacher salaries are public record, and there is a variation in salaries across the state. I recommend looking up the Town/City Report in the area that you're looking to move to, and you can review the salary ranges. Finding somewhere to live is probably going to be a challenge, as housing vacancies are very low, so also look at rental rates to compare.
I highly recommend trying for your master’s if that is something you can attain. The only teacher I know who doesn’t have a roommate or a second job has their masters in Special Ed. But I think that is the same case in almost every state as our government is slowly crumbling at the top and in some states.
Recommend you get a job first and then have employer pay for you to get a masters. A masters gets you into a higher pay bracket but why not have the school district pay for you to get there. I can also be harder to get your foot in the door if you already have a masters since they have to start you at a higher salary.
Yes!! I tell this to everyone. Don’t get your masters as a teacher on your own dime.
That is one of the many ways that a master’s may be attainable, yes. OP might never have that specific opportunity and may miss others trying to hold out for it though, which is why my advice was less specific. I don’t know their life.
The OP said they only have a BA. It's fairly general knowledge amongst teachers starting out at least in some states (Vermont being one) that for your first job, it's easier to get one without a masters and then once you have one in Vermont you have the ability to start your masters while the school district pays for a certain amount of the tuition each year. It can be part of your recertification credits as well and your salary goes up as you accrued graduate credits.
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Your reply would make sense if I had implied that OP should shirk work for a masters program, that isn’t the case and you’re kind of mansplaining this to me, as I am well aware. Perhaps DM OP, but I assume that since they’re a teacher they also know this stuff.
I apologize, I took your first comment to mean you were suggesting they should get a masters first and I was just recommending that that might not be the way to go. Did not mean to (wo)mansplain.
That’s totally fair. Thank you. Safe travels out there today if you’re in motion.
To everyone digging on Vermont and it's affordability, I hear you, but this is a nation wide problem, Vermont is not special in this regard.
Please don't scare this person away, we need good teachers here.
As a software engineer, I still found the first 3-4 years I lived in the Burlington area as an adult hard to afford, and that was almost 15 years ago now. I'm also pretty fortunate/privileged.
I think the cost of living varies based on the area and accommodations you're willing to accept. I don't live near Burlington anymore and that helped a lot with affordability.
My wife is a teacher and she too had to work a summer job for while before we met, but hasn't in years. I wish this wasn't the case.
Housing here is incredibly expensive compared to other areas. I just moved last year from a fairly urban/suburban area. It was a "you can get to anything you want within 30 minutes" kind of place. I rented a 2 bedroom house, with a garage and basement, for about 1000 a month. I'm now paying 1200 for a small 2 bedroom apartment, plus 100 a month for the storage unit to keep what I couldn't fit. And I was lucky to come out that good, honestly. Housing disappears from the market before it's even listed and the next list priced place I found was 1500 and an hour away from where I work. Things are worse here in that regard, so much that a news article came up while I was hunting for somewhere to live titled "people rejecting jobs in Vermont because they can't find housing."
I used to have no problem finding places to rent in VT either, before the pandemic.
I don't know if it's the pandemic, the Airbnb slumlords, or something else. It was almost important to find anything, because places were being signed for before they even got listed anywhere. I only found something because I got lucky. I called the landlord about a property he had listed. He told me it was no longer available, but he did have one coming up in two months right when I needed to move. I signed for it early and sent a security deposit so I would have something at all.
I'm a good teacher looking for a job in Vermont. I'm highly qualified but because I'm from out of state a lot of these committees are not even considering me for an interview.
For what it's worth, I think that's because Vermont has virtually no housing for someone moving here.
I relocated to VT a number of years ago as a teacher. What I was told after I had gotten the job (and physically appeared) was schools have an issue with hiring out-of-state teachers, then said teachers ghost them in August. It's happened enough times with enough schools that most are hesitant to offer a contract unless you're already living up here.
Unfortunately as someone who hired teachers in the past, this is a sad reality. Have hired wonderful candidates only to have them call three weeks before school starts and tell me they can’t find housing.
That's really messed up that they would do that
It's more a housing issue. Towns are spread out and housing is minimal. Add the mediocre wages and high rent... And ...
Yeah. I'm abundantly aware of the housing crisis. I still want to make it work though. Giving it our best shot!
Not certain of Teachers specifically, but as a whole, Vermont has the lowest pay and highest cost of living in New England.
New Hampshire is actually the lowest paying New England state, I believe.
I think it goes something like, NH/Maine/Vermont/RI/Mass-Conn.
I only know two teachers - one is my upstairs neighbor who affords Burlington by sharing a 4 bedroom apartment with 4 other people and also works another job in the summer. Her car is shot and she can’t afford to fix it. The other managed to score low income housing and is meticulous about she and her husband maintaining the appropriate income level. He explained it to me once and I didn’t really understand.
Meticulous about maintaining the appropriate income level...presumably so as to stay below a certain income threshold, so they don't lose any city/state/federal benefits, the loss of which would not be offset by any increased income. In short, to keep from falling off the benefits cliff.
The benefits cliff is real. I know people who have lost food stamps for earning $20 too much
No I understood maintaining benefits lmao I just didn’t understand what exactly counted and what the time period windows were
I've often maintained that if teaching in public schools was among the highest paid vocations in America it would change our society for the better. Sadly, it is not. Both my dad and brother are teachers. Dad is now retired but was only able to do so by operating a side business, while teaching, for 47 years.
The way I was raised - as I'm sure many Vermonters were - if I did something to raise the teacher's ire, I was not only punished at school but at home as well. Nowadays, it seems parents side with their kids and blame the teacher for shortcomings and confront them and the school board as such. Thankless job but probably the most important job.
As such, OP I commend you.
47 seven years! I hope they at least named the school after him! I hope he is enjoying his retirement!
There are bad teachers too. I think in the past, teachers were trusted more. And parents didn't spoil their dumb kids. Now, some teachers have an agenda and some parents think their overweight 10 year old is a perfect angel and smart to boot. It's tough teaching kid's whose attention span is as long as something on TikTok. And too dumb to realize it. We need good teachers and the good ones should be rewarded with higher compensation.
I'm not a teacher, but I am curious. How does teacher pay in Vermont compare to other states? I'm an engineer my wife is a nurse. Have noticed that a lot of local engineer and nursing salaries are very low.
All salaries are low here. It used to be justified by the lower cost of living. When I started out as an engineer in Vermont ~12 years ago my starting salary was almost $30k less than another offer in NYC. Cost of living (and quality of life) easily justified the the lower salary job. Not so much anymore.
It seems like Vermont is really intent on being at the low end of "competitive for the region". Could fix a lot of the work shortages by changing that approach to be towards the higher end. Especially with nurses. Not sure why medical facilities fight raises for staff nurses so hard, but then turn around and pay travelers $4000-$5000 a week like it is nothing. I would imagine the same could be said for teachers. Want the best? Pay the best.
> Not sure why medical facilities fight raises for staff nurses so hard, but then turn around and pay travelers $4000-$5000 a week like it is nothing.
Hearsay and based on sources I don't have links for am, but if you increase base staff pay, that comes out of shareholder dividends. If you're having to "emergency allocate" budget for travelers, your hospital is eligible for compensation from DC.
I don't know how accurate it is, but it's the kind of fucked-the-fuck up that makes sense in the last, oh, forty years or so.
But most hospitals are nonprofits and have no shareholders?
In Vermont, they're all non-profit. In the US as a whole, about a quarter are for-profit.
Even in the case of non-profits, I'd look at the c-suite compensation packages with questions.
The New York Times podcast called The Daily just did an expose of several "non-profit" hospital systems around the country. Lots of them actually make huge profits for their parent companies and routinely charge high bills to patients they legally aren't supposed to charge at all. It's really a racket.
None of that would surprise me at all.
Our local hospital pays new nurses $26/hr. Experienced ones make low $30s and entire staff has to park a block away in horrible weather. Not appealing to potential recruits
UVMMC?
No. Copley
That is so low. Is Copley using a lot of travel nurses?
Yes. Their er is almost all travelers. Yet they won’t pay their staff well and managers keep quitting or moving to different departments . several of my friends work there. It’s a sh@t show
One friend, a nurse, was highly skilled and well liked by her coworkers but switched to an entirely new department bc hers was so toxic she was crying every night when she got home
:( the healthcare field sucks so bad right now. I wonder if it is this bad outside of the NE. I've heard from many people that Dathmouth is feeling the same pain.
Sounds like UVMMC!
It could be worse. A friend works at a Vermont hospital with a model called fill and pull. First you fill as many beds as possible. Then you pull together to make it work.
That can't be the norm forever though. Will have nothing but travelers after a few years.
Exactly. My husband makes 20k than he’s make for the same job in Ny or MA. They blame the lower COL
If you want some interesting insights into the profession follow /r/teachers. From what I have gleaned, we’re not great but not terrible. Indiana and North Carolina come up often as being pretty bad. It ranges a lot. Poor towns with people just starting out. $40,000 (maybe less in some). Rich towns with a masters and decades of experience $100,000 is possible but rare.
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Both my brother and my sister are teachers and when they graduated both move to Virginia to teach. Starting salary was like $15k more a year
Dang...
I teach in Texas with a BA. Wife and I made the decision to move to Vermont back in 2016 so we could buy a homestead and live a more peaceful quiet life and raise kids. We waited until she got her RN....now I live in the burbs here and made $85K last year. She made $50K. We still want to move to Vt and I'm interviewing but it means I'll earn $30K less a year. Granted, $10K of that is a coaches stipend and $10K is a summer club coaching gig. Even without that I'll make $10K less on my salary.
Engineers down here easily are at $100K/year
Good link!
I’m a single teacher living in a 1bedroom/bathroom apartment. My rent is $1650. I teach in one of the better paid districts but it means I’m also in the most expensive area and hate commuting. I get paid well because I’m in my 11th year and have a masters. Many of the teachers here are either married or have a roommate.
I'm currently in my 6th year and am an administrator at my current school. BUT I don't have the degree or license for it. Do you think this could have any weight in VT? My teaching license transfers!
Honestly… I wouldn’t move here if I were you. My rent increased to 1700/month but luckily I had a partner to move in with. I have 2 advanced degrees and 13 years teaching experience and am only making 62k before taxes. It’s not doable unless you want a second job or a roommate. Especially with just a bachelors.
In Burlington, per the 2019-2020 contract that is available online, 13 years experience + masters is a salary of $76,419/year. Not sure if that contract has been renegotiated since. If you're 13 years + masters + 30 credits, $84,199.
Straight up BA + no extras, same 13 years, $56,627.
Ok? I live in southern Vermont. I’m not sure what your point is. COL is higher in Chittenden county too.
My point was that there are places in VT where teachers with "2 advanced degrees and 13 years teaching experience" get paid significantly more than what you're earning in Windsor County. The OP didn't note that they were looking at any specific part of the state. Unless your current position is Masters plus no additional credits, you'd probably be making around $18k more a year in Burlington, possibly (based on some teacher friends of mine) closer to $30k more in some districts in Chittenden County.
You are correct that COL is likely higher in Chittenden County. I'd say that's primarily housing, I don't think the cost of food, utilities, gas is that much higher in Chittenden County compared to Windsor County. Do you think rent is $18k/year higher? I've been out of the market too long to have a clue about the difference in rent Chittenden County vs Windsor County.
Right, I’d make more in Chittenden county- there’s a whole host of reasons why I wouldn’t live there again- but this person would be starting at around what, 42-45 with a bachelors and 1-3 years of experience? The cheapest place I found in SB on a Craigslist search was 1100/mo with nothing included for a 350 square foot studio. So they’d be spending over 50% of their monthly income on a shoebox to live in. Not factoring in student debt, car payments- things many people have. It’s a shitty situation for young, single people to be in.
42-45 is low up here, I don't think any Chittenden County districts are in that range these days. Maybe Franklin or Addison County? Just looking at the current contract for one district in Chittenden County, BA plus no extra credits, 1st year is $51,776 ($52,636 starting next year), one year of experience is $54,028, two years of experience is $56,279. BA + 15 credits CE adds about $2200/year to those figures. And for those who wish, there are opportunities to coach teams or be club advisors. Or teach summer school. According to my friends who are teachers, it's not that challenging to add $5k-$15k to their salaries by taking on other roles in their district, although I know that's not for everyone.
Rents are onerous up here, no doubt, and not going to get better until a lot more housing gets built and there is some real marketplace competition. Just looked at one newer place in Williston, a few apartments coming up available in the next few months... $1425/month for a 536 sq foot 1BR, $1700/month for an 800 sq ft 1BR, $2300/month for a 1327 sq ft 2BR (lol, larger than my condo!). Decent amenities at that complex - pool, grilling areas, community garden area, fitness center, covered parking. But even a studio is going to bite into about 1/3 of a new teacher in that district's base gross.
The key to answering this question is asking where you will be living. I am a teacher, I've lived as a single in two areas, one inside and one outside Chittenden county. The difference is vast. If you will be outside Chittenden country, you'll be fine.
You'd have better luck buying a condo, especially if you can afford the 3.5% down (if this is your first equity purchase). Condos in the state run from 50,000 to 200,000 in every county, which is 1750 to 7000 cash on hand. If you can swing that, you'll be far better off.
My monthly payment went from $900 renting to about $750 (HOA included) buying. Then when I was done with the condo, I sold it for a very small profit that I was able to use towards the next one. I've built up several hundred thousand in equity in a short time. You're not at the mercy of your landlord and condos are generally better kept as well.
I wouldn't go above 200k in your situation. Plus, if you find a partner down the road and you two want to get hitched (or whatever) and buy a place together, the sale of your condo will generate a nice down payment on a home.
I teach financial literacy. The process is not that hard. The first step is to get the money together. The second is to reach out to a place that can find you a qualified lender at the best APR. Lending Tree does that easily, but the best imo is here. Since they are motivated to sell, they basically do the rest of the work by asking you to provide information.
Anyway, gl to your process
Query: where would one find a condo selling for 50k? Am I jaded from living in chittenden county so long? I can’t find anything under 250k within an hour of Burlington.
Off to find the ones I saw last year and... omg! They are all gone. I was helping students with condos as late as August last year. I just assumed they would still be there. There's not a single thing below 100k anymore.
That was fast...
Still a few under 200k, and it's not selling season anymore. Here's one in Colchester for 160.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/48-Hegeman-Ave-200-Colchester-VT-05446/2100883068_zpid/
What do you consider selling season in Vermont? Usually the spring is selling season in my experience.
Yeah, Spring time. April-June.
Plus a 250k house within an hour of Burlington will require at least 100k to make it livable, most likely.
My daughter is a teacher with a Masters in a red Midwestern state. I think pay is comparable as is the cost of living. If she was single, she'd have a different standard of living for sure.
One thing though... if she taught in Vermont I don't think she'd have to deal with book bans, outing trans kids to parents, critical race theory, and school board members who get elected solely on their anti-mask, Christian values positions. The latest priority is defunding public schools with private religious school vouchers. I am not sure how much longer she's going to last in education.
I’m a teacher in the northern part of the state. If you are single you’ll be fine. I have a wife and two kids and house and mostly living on my income. It is very tight. Rural schools generally pay in the 40’s, low 50’s for BA only. I have a masters + a lot of years and am just over 60. If I was in Burlington I’d probably be in the $80-$90K range, but I’d be paying on a $500,000 mortgage instead of a $100,000 one. It’s all relative. Don’t expect to be able to live an extravagant lifestyle, but you should still be able to spend some on fun.
I think my “If you’re single you’ll be fine” assumes that there is any housing you can find or roommates, so I might have been a little overly optimistic
You would likely be well above $80k-$90k. I have a friend, veteran teacher at the top end of the scale, Chittenden County. $105k-$110k range. Department head, teaches some summer school, does some coaching, picks up random side gigs at the school for arts and athletics.
Still not enough to offset the mortgage on a $100k house vs a $500k house...
Teacher I worked with (as their para) had two side jobs despite having a master’s and going for her phd. The salaries here are awful.
You don’t
I work in schools and would recommend looking at switching to SpEd, if you’re at all interested. There is a major need for them in almost every school district and they will often pay for your certification via the provisional licensure process. I recommend this due to the demand and, from what I have seen, higher starting salary levels. SpEd comes with its own challenges, but it seems like a good route to consider, at least temporarily. Many of the special educators I see have what appears like an easy go of it, though I am sure the behind the scenes shit is exhausting. It’s tempting enough for me to consider leaving the ABA track I am currently on.
As for living, get used to a commute, as the cheaper “nice” stuff will be found in more rural or less desirable areas. Still, lots of need in central vermont which is not a bad place to live at all.
I make average teacher pay and do not feel as if I have to sacrifice much other than a commute, as I still have enough to buy the toys I want and do the things I would like to do. I am married tho, so that changes things a bit.
You're going to struggle with a BA, but you can do it.
I'm a teacher in Southern Vermont, our wages are probably ~10-15k less than in New York, but we're higher than New Hampshire.
I currently am able to live pretty comfortably, but I also coach two varsity sports and I run our yearbook program here, too.
It can be a challenge, but if you can find a roommate OR an affordable place to live (they can be found), then you'll be fine.
What subject do you teach and why the move, if you don't mind me asking?
Not OP but I'm in a similar boat though wife is a nurse. Looking at Upper Valley area. Seems doable because we have equity in our current home to capitalize on. I taught yearbook for 6 years and loved it. I coach too. What districts do you recommend I explore/avoid?
I mean, if you can get into Hanover, NH that'd be dope. Woodstock has a similar vibe, too. I'm actually originally from that area (sort of), on the NH side. People I've known have loved working in Hanover, but I think it's a pretty competitive place to get work.
I'm sure Lebanon is also a fine spot, though they'll have their issues. On the Vermont side, I'm not overly familiar with districts that direction. I know primarily the Central/Southern Vermont side of things (Rutland and South of there).
If you do have any other questions about whatever else during the move, feel free to reach out and I'll help if I can.
What about Hartford/White River Junction?
I think probably fine? I’m not overly familiar with the district, but Vermont kids are pretty okay and I’ve not heard anything bad about the district (no news is good news mantra).
You’ll have a mix of kids for sure, being that area is a little heavier population-wise. Some diversity, but I doubt a ton. Poverty is a serious issue and the Upper Valley is no joke related to the opiate issues. I still think Vermont is a pretty decent spot to teach and mostly our kids — though they can be a pain in the butt — are mostly decent.
Marry a healthcare professional
Preferably a Dentist,
Depending on where you are moving from you’ll make a lot more here. I moved from a state where my salary was 10,000 less with the same cost of living. Still need a roommate but I’m much more comfortable now. Plus my district pays for continuing Ed so I’ll keep going up the pay scale as I get more credits and years
Get a job in the South Burlington or Essex Westford school district, they're two of the better/higher paying ones in the state. Once there, use professional development money to have the school pay for your masters.
Depending on where you're coming from, it's quite doable. Compared to a lot of places out west, the money is better and the cost of living lower. That's been my experience, at least.
It's always a bit hardscrabble during the first few years of one's teaching career. Starting out in 2005, I pretty much lived paycheck to paycheck. (And I don't have a master's).
It's a pretty great state in which to be an educator.
Consider boarding schools. There are several in Vermont and neighboring states. You’ll get housing and all meals, and you’ll get to bank most of your salary, though it may be less than a comparable job at a day school. You can bolster your earnings with tutoring gigs. May get free or significantly reduced tuition as well, for your little ones. You will also work a lot.
Just to give you some hope, good friends of ours are both teachers (elementary and HS). They own a nice house in a nice neighborhood, have two kids, two cars, and live a simple and comfortable life (summers off!). Granted we’re outside of the Chittenden County area and not in a gold town - good houses are still around 250-350k here.
Unfortunately, they don't. You are exactly the kind of person we need moving here, instead we're filling up w/ trustafarians/ work from home financial services types. Don't move here, move somewhere cool that wants you. VT is snotty, rich, and ruined post covid.
Housing will be your single greatest pain point. Most of the inventory in the State has been turned into short term vacation rentals.
You shouldn’t move here if you’re expecting to thrive on a teachers salary in VT (excluding higher ed). We’ve all been making sacrifices here, but I wish you luck finding a good job.
Why do people live there if it's all sacrificing?
Because they’re too poor move duh. It’s why we have such empty food shelf centers and people on this sub constantly looking for cheaper fuel. Everything’s getting more expensive and the people that afford to live here are buy homes and live elsewhere 10/12s of the year.
Ffffuuuuuuuck that's terrifying.
Yeah, I’m not trying to bully you away, I just see a lot of people get tricked by VT on Instagram and it’s frustrating for everyone. It’s a great and hard place to live
Mehhhh well. I'm kind of doing it for research. I'll be living with two friends, too, so maybe it'll be okay. I'm just stupid frugal and afraid of having to "do without."
Having friends and being stupid frugal will get you far here haha
Thank you!
Are utilities pretty insane?
You start taking classes right away to get your masters
Get your masters ASAP.
I’m about to quit at the end of year 11 and move to a job that pays more for an entry level position. Either don’t move here or don’t teach
I was a sixth year teacher with a BA only. I made 72K in a larger state. I moved here and made 52K. The worst admin and superintendent I have ever worked with in my life. No support for teachers, the worst school culture I have ever seen. Even worse conditions for kids - I could tell you that nobody learned a thing at that school. I quit in January. Five other teachers also quit mid-year before me. By the way the district will threaten you with a fine but with union representation, they will back down if you quit midyear. I know you didn't ask for this but that was my experience.
Yikes! What a dumpster fire! Glad you got out.
In my area a lot of teachers have a spouse that makes more or they have side jobs - several work at our local brewery, some have farms with farmstands, one makes raised garden beds, another teaches fitness lessons, etc. Housing is also very hard to come by in my area so that is another item to consider. Look for housing near the areas you are interested in to see if you can even find something affordable. Or if you have money can you buy land and add a tiny home or cabin.
I have a BA in languages and teach at UVM on 60k. I was hired because it was in demand and they needed a languages teacher. I imagine for other subject teachers it’s harder. I luckily do not have to pay rent so surviving pretty well
Depending on your debt, it's doable. I'm a teacher that just moved to Vermont. Housing costs are the worst of it, being a few hundred a month more than what I previously paid, and for less space at that. Next up, I came from somewhere state income tax wasn't a thing, so that's been another hit. I've got debt on top of bills, so I'm currently working at Stewart's on the weekends. That's enough to bring it back to comfortable. I'm also getting paid for my masters degrees though, so your situation may vary.
Online income calculator get pretty close to what comes out for taxes, but don't forget that insurance and retirement will also be coming out after that when you plan your finances.
No more than anywhere else
Depends on the district, to a degree. I have a friend who is now a 2nd year teacher with a BA. She got in with a district that pays on the higher end. Massive work-load, she's K-8 special ed. I believe starting salary for her was a little over $51K, good benefits package and the ability to do her masters course work and have the district pay. She works a side gig as a server once a week brunch shift, job she's had since high school, solid tips there. Studio apartment, no roommate. I don't think she'd say she's sacrificing much, I think she'd say she pretty much does the things she wants to do. Last summer the district offered her a summer school gig but she turned it down, which tells me something about her budget situation.
I taught in Stowe, lived in Hyde Park. Worked out well, kids went to Stowe, we had a sweet house in HP.
Tray, food, and decent housing!
Pay varies district to district as does housing costs. I was lucky to start with a higher salary because of my masters and my first couple of years I lived in a garage apartment that had everything included in the rent. Now living with my husband who is also a teacher we get by okay.
When you get an interview, one of Your questions is about affordable housing.
I want everyone who complains about how "expensive" it is to live in Vermont to come and spend a day up here in Canada. Only then will they see what insane costs of living are
Yeua but when you don't have to worry about health care everything is different
Don't have to worry about healthcare? You mean waiting months to see a doctor? You mean waiting months upon months upon years just to get a surgery?
Hmm let's weigh months to see a doctor vs going 15 years without seeing one. Or months or a year for a surgery, that's going to be free, vs choosing to not have the surgery (or not even know that you need the surgery because you can't go to a doctor to figure it out) and then going bankrupt if you do chose to get the surgery. There's still a clear winner there. The cost of surgery here can cost several years salary. What about all the other bills and food costs you're expected pay? It's no contest
Lul- America is more expensive by a long shot. Are you converting CAD to USD? My gf pays $600 USD for a one bedroom in Montreal compared to my $1650. That’s $2100 CAD.
Depends where you are in America. Renting may be more expensive but buying property isn't.
And that 600 USD a month sounds like bs because I live in Montreal and there are no apartments that cheap here.
ATPVT2018 t1_j5ydmu4 wrote
My friends in education all have at least 1 side gig: bartending, tutoring (remote or in-person), cleaning (AirBnB), or seasonal instructing (snow sports). In the summer, a lot paint or work in trades.
It's a shame that such a necessary profession pays so poorly.