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bubblebuttmcgee t1_jdzq72v wrote
The people in my organization that want to unionize are the least productive and most likely to not show up. Unionizing would protect their jobs, but should it? Im sure unions are great, but I can imagine they get abused by the lowest performers
kungfu_panda_express t1_jdzqnvb wrote
You weren't at your desk while you went to the bathroom Frank. That was 3 minutes that you could have been entering data instead of doing human requirements. As per paragraph 5 subsection 3, Apple employees transcend humanity and therefore do not need or want personal time. It's right there Frank. We don't poop. Our glorious leader doesn't even have a butthole... We are gonna have to let you go.
kungfu_panda_express t1_jdzqv4g wrote
Yeah, it's a bit of both isn't it. You would like some safety, but there are those among you that you know don't really deserve to be safe.
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halfanothersdozen t1_jdzwzhe wrote
He said she said between the employer and the union. If Apple had "cause" there's not much they can do about it. If you bite the hand that feeds you don't be surprised when they go looking for reasons to fire you.
Moody_GenX t1_jdzzzc0 wrote
I was in a union one time in my 35 hears of working. It was my last job at a large grocery chain. We couldn't get fired unless you didn't work for 60 days, stole something or went to work for competition. We had a guy that would just leave mid shift to go drive for Uber. Wouldn't say anything to anyone, just fucking dip out. Management could only reprimand him. Him and I got into once when he tried calling me off a break 5 minutes early. I got reprimanded for telling him to fuck off in front of customers. I fucking hated that place.
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iamJAKYL t1_je01fj9 wrote
Have no idea why you're being downvoted, must be the "anti-work" folks.
Toad32 t1_je031cj wrote
I'll take this one step further - the unions where I work only contain lazy people who get great pay and work less hard than every other branch.
Good for them, bad for the organization as a whole.
Unions in theory are great for workers, I've just yet to see a good working example that isn't corrupt.
CCPMustGo t1_je03fxf wrote
Fuck 'em. If you can't be bothered to show up and do your damned job, you deserve to get canned, even if you are tossing off antiwork bullshit.
HanaBothWays t1_je03zgy wrote
> Also very coincidental that the union had the statement prepared beforehand, but sure.
Union organizers getting fired for “unrelated” reasons is as old as unions themselves. So of course the union has prepared statements ready to go for situations like this - almost any union does. It’s like having a fire extinguisher in your kitchen.
btmalon t1_je04f1z wrote
And guess what the max penalty for union busting is? They have to rehire the employees and pay a pittance of a fine. There's 0 reason for companies not to bust unions under the current law and that's why unions have been declining for decades.
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ArcadianMess t1_je04qwr wrote
That sounds like a bullshit excuse .
How would that even hold up in court ?
"My client was not doing his contractually mandated job your honor but he can't be fired because unions?"
HanaBothWays t1_je04x5l wrote
Sure, whatever floats your boat I guess.
Bluerocx t1_je05cxt wrote
Yeah I'm sure that happened. Let me guess you made a speech on your way out and everyone clapped.
Moody_GenX t1_je083yu wrote
No my father passed away, and after an extended time away while taking care of his affairs, I was let go.
No-Economics1355 t1_je08a27 wrote
imagine getting mad at your coworker for not being a good little slave. you people need to realize that doing such a nice job for your owner doesn’t actually do anything for you. if that is your meaning and reward in life i’m so sorry
UsecMyNuts t1_je0civh wrote
So let me get this straight
They used obviously made up reasons to stay off work for extended periods of time without providing any proof, doctors notes, covid tests etc
When they were actually at work they did everything they could to not actually work to the point where other workers reported them
They shit talk the company on Facebook and name drop other employees for seemingly no reason other than they were criticised for not working
And then before they’re actually fired one of them allegedly makes another post to a private Facebook group with a Union statement about their firing. He predicted his own firing…
I’m all for unions, I’m in one, and fuck Union busting, but this quite literally just lazy employees looking for a lawsuit and leveraging their Union position to make themselves look invincible
Edit; some of the comments on Facebook about the Oklahoma store where they were fired from are … interesting, lazy rude and racist employees with a few dozen or so complaints about them in the past year alone.
also I’ll just point out that the 3 were more than likely fired for time card manipulation, Apple cracked down on it a few weeks ago, whereas the other 2 were (rightfully) fired for faking covid
UsecMyNuts t1_je0diyy wrote
The amount of people who are ridiculously lazy and then blame unions for not facilitating that laziness is staggering.
wizardstrikes2 t1_je0exhe wrote
Nobody is forced to work for Apple or any company.
If you don’t like the ethics of the business, it is very simple, don’t work for them. Stop buying and using their products.
Choice is a powerful thing.
sunsunsunsunsuns t1_je0gkbb wrote
Agreed, the amount of lazy people in the industry that use the guise of “unions” is really sad.
Bluerocx t1_je0il9c wrote
My entire adult working life I have been a manager in unionized environments. I have fired, written up and suspended numerous union members. I have done this under three different unions and multiple union contracts. Unions don't protect lazy employees, incompetent management does.
Moody_GenX t1_je0k0a2 wrote
Judging by your original response I doubt it. You seem way too immature to be that position.
mdax t1_je0nxuj wrote
In the U.S. union busting is totally legal by large corps.
Just look at what apple, google and amazon do. They straight fire workers who are organizing, nothing is ever done about it...
sunplaysbass t1_je0t0rz wrote
It’s ok - consequences no longer exist
sunplaysbass t1_je0t5ru wrote
AOC and Bernie talk about it a little and that’s where accountability ends
trEntDG t1_je0tgpx wrote
The max penalty for firing workers who won't show up when obligated or perform duties while taking their wage is nothing. Organizing a union doesn't give them a free pass on their employment responsibilities.
Frankenstein_Monster t1_je0uzlm wrote
Well it's a police union so what did yah expect?
Frankenstein_Monster t1_je0vi5w wrote
Fuck em they were literally not doing their job, what did they expect? If you ran a company would you want to pay anyone to do nothing all day? If theyre working so little their coworkers are making complaints you know it's bad. No one wants to watch someone else who's doing the same job as you slack off to the point it creates extra work for them.
Ricardotron t1_je0w3j5 wrote
Right, cause I'm so sure other workers were reporting them for just using the washroom..
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SuperToxin t1_je13cv2 wrote
Apple has probably insane lawyers that will tear them to shreds. A co-worker who loved to be 15-20 mins late every single day of the week for two straight years was shocked when he was promptly fired. This is after he’s been told to show up on time countless times over the course of the two years. Blames the company for his own actions just like these idiots.
fuckinbacher t1_je15hop wrote
This article and you are meant to make unions look bad.
UsecMyNuts t1_je16a4v wrote
No, the article actually whitewashes what they did, it makes them look like the victims of Union busting rather than the actual truth that they’re lazy grifters who got their Union membership and then almost immediately tried to get a lawsuit out of it.
I’m pro union but I’m also not delusional or just fucking stupid enough to think that unions are gods gift to mankind, these people are manipulating and diluting unions.
The people you actually have issue with here, even though you’ll probably never admit it is, is the group of people who are making unions look weak in exchange for a payday.
Zeduca t1_je18laf wrote
So a wrongful dismissal or unfair labor practice?
CapitalBornFromLabor t1_je18npg wrote
The guy you replied to believes the world is black and white and nothing more complicated than that. They’re operating at a 5th grader’s understanding of nuance. Good on you to call it out.
For the guy above you: Unions are absolutely a good thing, but Union members that abuse rules to try and look like victims make the WHOLE union look bad. Also, police union’s are a thing and absolutely should be, however they beed absolute scrutiny from both interior and exterior sources so we don’t have the abuses we see from them. Or unions that kowtow to corporate power. Just as bad and is a regular occurrence. I hope the UAW elections that have been bringing more progressive reformers into the fold will yield excellent results. But only time will tell.
Read some more, you’re on the right track but this “Unions only equals good, no unions equals only bad” view you have is incredibly naïve and short-sighted. There are bad unions out there.
fireky2 t1_je18piu wrote
"simply shit your pants for the shareholders"
wizardstrikes2 t1_je1905m wrote
Shareholders don’t care if you shit your pants. If you don’t like your job, quit. It can’t get any easier than that.
kungfu_panda_express t1_je1h2u2 wrote
Yep, that's why I don't buy apple or work for them.
kungfu_panda_express t1_je1hb5j wrote
No idea. Sorry. I just meant some people need to be fired due to poor performance or they'll do these mass firings more often.
kungfu_panda_express t1_je1i8f3 wrote
It's a joke, my goodness. It's making fun of massive soulless corporations and the cult like culture hanging on every product release.
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isaac9092 t1_je1o416 wrote
As someone who worked within Apple. All this behavior is very accurate and common.
OriginalCompetitive t1_je1qyjs wrote
So given all that, doesn’t it bother you that the union piled on against Apple here? It’s one thing to blame lazy employees, but what about the union? Shouldn’t they be held to a higher standard as well?
UsecMyNuts t1_je1thpc wrote
In theory they should defend their members from everything that isn’t outright illegal, being lazy isn’t illegal (thankfully) so I think that the union is just following its own guidelines to the point where this can benefit them.
If this ends up in court or in front of the union ethics committee then I can see them being blacklisted from the unions
braiam t1_je1w351 wrote
What you say and what the article says do not concur:
> Gemma Wyatt, who worked at Apple in Kansas City for seven years and began organizing at her store last spring, was put on a disciplinary notice after arriving late for her shift by an average of one minute, three times in a month, she said. Apple fired her in early February after two more attendance-related issues.
So, please provide sources for your statements.
braiam t1_je1wefr wrote
This is a big fat lie. People can't select where they work in, since big companies have monopsonies and current economic conditions do not allow small competitors to exist.
braiam t1_je1wwzo wrote
Except that you can challenge the "cause". Having a "cause" doesn't mean that the cause is either valid or true. Union busters would use reasonably sounding arguments until you look more closely. (Like he has been doing that for 4 years, so we fired him. But we only fired him when he started to do union forming activities)
wizardstrikes2 t1_je1yrzq wrote
That may be possible in some countries but for the majority of the world, people have a choice.
There are currently approximately 400 million small businesses in the world. Though it’s difficult to know precisely how many small businesses there are worldwide right now, Global Naps estimates sit around 400 million, with new businesses joining every day.
Just in the US there were a record 10 million job openings.. The U.S. Has More Individually Owned Businesses than Corporations. Today, there are 1.7 million traditional C corporations, compared to 7.4 million partnerships and S corporations, and 23 million sole proprietorships.
People would rather complain than fix themselves.
NotACockroach t1_je26gue wrote
I find if you're not unequivocally pro union and everything they do on reddit you get downvoted.
I'm thinking of signing up for a union, and I asked some questions on reddit including some bad experiences some colleagues of mine had with unions to see if people thought it was worth it. I literally just got downvoted and accused of company shilling.
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braiam t1_je2eio1 wrote
Ask friends and family when was the last time they discussed salary with their co-workers and how often they do. It is very likely that the answer surprises you.
wizardstrikes2 t1_je2erfz wrote
I would give them the same advice. If you are unhappy with your job find a new one.
cwesttheperson t1_je2f2kr wrote
Wow that is telling. Seems like a non story and people like this deserve to be fired.
braiam t1_je2f39e wrote
Did you read it or are you going by what the top comment said?
cwesttheperson t1_je2fcpt wrote
I’m sure that’s what she says. Generally people like that tend to lack accountability and embellish.
Skullkan6 t1_je2fff0 wrote
It's also stupid easy to fake this stuff after the fact.
RideSpecial7782 t1_je2fnol wrote
Faking medical conditions to not go to work is questionable at very least.
the_calibre_cat t1_je2gktq wrote
Protip: They are always let go because of their union organizing.
i-dream-of-jeannie t1_je2hefh wrote
Degenerates.
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N3KIO t1_je2plcs wrote
its cheaper to pay a legal fees, then having activists.
Sleezygumballmachine t1_je2tqf0 wrote
Bro when my coworkers don’t do their work, it makes more work for me. Plus fuck em, I don’t get paid to do nothing so you shouldnt either
HeadmasterPrimeMnstr t1_je2ve3m wrote
Unions have progressive disciplinary policies in place to fire workers that do not fulfill their expectations of employment. No union has a contract that allows that type of behaviour because the workers themselves would be negatively harmed by such unreliable behaviour.
You're bothered by the incompetence of your manager to go through the process laid out in the union's disciplinary policy and then blaming the entire union for it.
If the worker was actually that poor of a performer, the manager could have even gotten workers to establish a collective complaint against their colleague.
Your manager refuses to understand the rules and you suffered the consequences for it.
If you no longer worker for the union, perhaps you can tell me the union and the year so I can source their collective agreement for myself because I have never heard of a union that wouldn't at least have a discussion with that coworker.
nubsauce87 t1_je2wnv4 wrote
I mean... if you wanna keep your job, you should probably show up to work once in a while...
Slugnutty2 t1_je3bsbq wrote
Fuck unions but the first response does shed a better light on the sum bag employees
SuperSpread t1_je3dv8k wrote
For naming other employees they should be personally sued for workplace harassment. If you publicly slander your teammates for what happened at your workplace, you should be fired first of all. If your statements about your coworker is untrue, you should be personally liable.
Fuck every person like this.
SuperSpread t1_je3dzx0 wrote
These employees harassed other coworkers. If unions defend that, then fuck unions.
SuperSpread t1_je3e4oh wrote
They publicly harassed their coworkers. They should be fired for that alone. Nothing else they do changes this. They have no case. Fuck them. Fuck the union defending bullies.
SuperSpread t1_je3eeck wrote
What about public harassment of coworkers? Because that’s also what these people did.
If a union defends people who harass coworkers, the union is the problem.
SuperSpread t1_je3enkf wrote
What would happen to you if you didn’t show up to work, didn’t work when you were there, were repeatedly reported by coworkers, and very publicly harassed coworkers online?
SuperSpread t1_je3eouw wrote
You should read the article.
BakingMadman t1_je43yud wrote
Orrrrrrrrr could it be that the company was being lenient, giving the employee chance after chance to change their ways.... and then it became apparent that the employee thought the rules did not apply to them so they were terminated.
Sunniigod t1_je4epvy wrote
Typically if a union doesn’t want you there, attendance is the way they do it. A minute late or a minute over can spell doom.
r_silvertoo t1_je5p2vq wrote
hopefully this doesn’t ruin you’re perception of unions tho they are a necessity I believe.
sunsunsunsunsuns t1_je5yail wrote
Oh no, trust me Im like the parent comment: i still love unions and all for it.
Its a shame that theres bad fruits in that bunch that make the rest look bad too
I normally hate gatekeeping stuff but from my own anecdotal experience, ive seen genuine lazy people that obviously do not know what “hard work” entails and use the narrative of antiwork to justify their antics
It is what it is and i think the most we can do is call these folks out
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