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bubblebuttmcgee t1_jdzq72v wrote

The people in my organization that want to unionize are the least productive and most likely to not show up. Unionizing would protect their jobs, but should it? Im sure unions are great, but I can imagine they get abused by the lowest performers

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Moody_GenX t1_jdzzzc0 wrote

I was in a union one time in my 35 hears of working. It was my last job at a large grocery chain. We couldn't get fired unless you didn't work for 60 days, stole something or went to work for competition. We had a guy that would just leave mid shift to go drive for Uber. Wouldn't say anything to anyone, just fucking dip out. Management could only reprimand him. Him and I got into once when he tried calling me off a break 5 minutes early. I got reprimanded for telling him to fuck off in front of customers. I fucking hated that place.

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ArcadianMess t1_je04qwr wrote

That sounds like a bullshit excuse .

How would that even hold up in court ?

"My client was not doing his contractually mandated job your honor but he can't be fired because unions?"

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UsecMyNuts t1_je0diyy wrote

The amount of people who are ridiculously lazy and then blame unions for not facilitating that laziness is staggering.

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Bluerocx t1_je05cxt wrote

Yeah I'm sure that happened. Let me guess you made a speech on your way out and everyone clapped.

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Moody_GenX t1_je083yu wrote

No my father passed away, and after an extended time away while taking care of his affairs, I was let go.

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Bluerocx t1_je0il9c wrote

My entire adult working life I have been a manager in unionized environments. I have fired, written up and suspended numerous union members. I have done this under three different unions and multiple union contracts. Unions don't protect lazy employees, incompetent management does.

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Moody_GenX t1_je0k0a2 wrote

Judging by your original response I doubt it. You seem way too immature to be that position.

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HeadmasterPrimeMnstr t1_je2ve3m wrote

Unions have progressive disciplinary policies in place to fire workers that do not fulfill their expectations of employment. No union has a contract that allows that type of behaviour because the workers themselves would be negatively harmed by such unreliable behaviour.

You're bothered by the incompetence of your manager to go through the process laid out in the union's disciplinary policy and then blaming the entire union for it.

If the worker was actually that poor of a performer, the manager could have even gotten workers to establish a collective complaint against their colleague.

Your manager refuses to understand the rules and you suffered the consequences for it.

If you no longer worker for the union, perhaps you can tell me the union and the year so I can source their collective agreement for myself because I have never heard of a union that wouldn't at least have a discussion with that coworker.

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SuperSpread t1_je3eeck wrote

What about public harassment of coworkers? Because that’s also what these people did.

If a union defends people who harass coworkers, the union is the problem.

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Toad32 t1_je031cj wrote

I'll take this one step further - the unions where I work only contain lazy people who get great pay and work less hard than every other branch.

Good for them, bad for the organization as a whole.

Unions in theory are great for workers, I've just yet to see a good working example that isn't corrupt.

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kungfu_panda_express t1_jdzqv4g wrote

Yeah, it's a bit of both isn't it. You would like some safety, but there are those among you that you know don't really deserve to be safe.

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iamJAKYL t1_je01fj9 wrote

Have no idea why you're being downvoted, must be the "anti-work" folks.

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NotACockroach t1_je26gue wrote

I find if you're not unequivocally pro union and everything they do on reddit you get downvoted.

I'm thinking of signing up for a union, and I asked some questions on reddit including some bad experiences some colleagues of mine had with unions to see if people thought it was worth it. I literally just got downvoted and accused of company shilling.

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kungfu_panda_express t1_je1hb5j wrote

No idea. Sorry. I just meant some people need to be fired due to poor performance or they'll do these mass firings more often.

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