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mr-photo t1_isssp8s wrote

or.. people should stop taking medical advice from people on the internet and go see an actual doctor

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0liBear t1_isstakf wrote

This is a solution to that problem, with less cost to the people. If hospitals rivaled negative online information with their obviously more correct info, less people would end up without medical advice.

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EVJoe t1_istaq56 wrote

For many, "Go see an actual doctor" is not something which can be done simply, quickly, or without expense. Millions of people in the US avoid seeing healthcare due to cost.

The use of the internet as a stand-in for healthcare isn't the fault of people who are dumb or gullible as you seem to imply -- it's a reflection of millions of people with health concerns who feel like they can't seek care.

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leithal70 t1_issz6n4 wrote

The thing is, that won’t happen. Social media is the new Tv or radio and that isn’t changing anytime soon. Rather than push back against getting info from these places, we have to find a way to legitimize information on these sites and find ways to run successful campaigns for healthy decisions.

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user_dan t1_istav57 wrote

In America, even if you have health insurance, the cost of seeing a doctor can be prohibitive.

If you can stomach the cost, referrals, claim denials or spending hours on the phone with a service rep in India are a very stressful part of seeing an actual doctor. In some cases, the pain of dealing with the healthcare system may be worse than the disease.

I don't know what the numbers are of people choosing alternatives to the healthcare system, but I imagine the trend is upward.

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mr-photo t1_istfsf9 wrote

I feel sorry for you then, up here in Canada I just make an appointment and go see my doctor anytime. We're not without our issues too, many people don't have a family doctor because of shortages and wait times can be long, but there are many clinics or even the hospital that they can just walk into and don't have to pay anything.

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SuddenCompetition262 t1_isuchqo wrote

The other issue is that there’s nowhere near enough doctors where I live. Almost no one has a family doctor unless you’ve been grandfathered in from living here for decades, and even trying to talk to a doctor online often has a 1 month + wait time.

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JoHaSa t1_isul5t0 wrote

Public health is only partly issue demanding medical doctors. A lot can be done by other, less expensive professionals. Medical doctors are not professionals in life style improvement. Psychologist, dietitians and even communication specialists may be very useful in making public health issues known to ordinary people.

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mkottt t1_isunoes wrote

Why can't they do both again ?

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Westfakia t1_isth52w wrote

Social Media telling people that they should use social media more. Yawn.

Hospitals are supposed to deliver healthcare. I don’t need to follow their FB page, twitter, instagram or whatever. They can do that on their website and not have to waste our money paying Zuckerberg to boost their posts so that the Social Media Directpr will look more effective.

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burr_hole t1_isvwa7p wrote

Instagram is a visually driven platform. What content can a hospital consistently create that will actually have appeal on Instagram?

Nothing

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YamaKazeRinZen t1_isvs4v5 wrote

Health information and awareness are public health issue, which is why it is delivered by department of health / public health instead of hospital. This BS is clearly written by someone who has no idea how a society works

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Doompatron3000 t1_isw2ub9 wrote

*so that the Social Media Director can feel like they aren’t a waste of money.

Fixed it for you.

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Beba2022 t1_isvjb5x wrote

You’re absolutely right!! The social media we have today did not exist like this in my days and I’m in my early 40s. How did everything happen back in those days??? Social media has made people lazy and anti social nowadays. Trying to make the world hooked and addicted making you feel as you can’t survive without it. Just like everything was done back then it surely can be done today and without social media!

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sanjsrik t1_issxr0n wrote

You know what would REALLY promote healthy lifestyles?

Publishing what your procedures cost BEFORE you overbill and triple bill patients with obscure medical codes your own billing people can't and won't explain.

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EVJoe t1_istbecm wrote

Hospitals literally can't tell you how much your insurance company will charge you for a procedure. Only the insurance company can tell you, and often they won't tell you the real cost until you've already committed. This is the "middle man" people complain about.

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mamabear123456789 t1_isswdxc wrote

s/ This study has been brought to you by the Internet Advertising folks looking for a buck

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yesiknowimsexy t1_ist239u wrote

Former social media manager…

That would imply someone with a doctorate degree would manage the day to day, whether they’re the ones actually posting or not. I just can’t imagine someone who went to school for that long to actually, physically help patients say “why yes I’d love to sit and write copy all day and never see a human”

Or I’m completely off base and in which case have a nice day

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trymypi t1_ist50sl wrote

Yeah actually this is pretty popular in the public health, social marketing, and behavior change community. Research backed approaches to getting people to act in healthy ways. PSAs, major health campaigns, stuff like that. Everything from anti-tobacco to exercise to vaccines require SMEs to work with marketers.

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yesiknowimsexy t1_ist5sbt wrote

Oh for sure.I don’t know an social media manager who doesn’t work outside the marketing department of a company.

With that said, most SMM are the ones who write the copy, design the layouts, initiate online campaigns but don’t have medical degrees (of course).

I should’ve been clearer, but because of this separation between a good SMM and a good medical doctor, I don’t see how to merge the two worlds successfully and uniquely without having an actual doctor at the helm. I’m just saying people with MD on the back of their name would probably be reluctant

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trymypi t1_ist6459 wrote

So you don't need a doctor at the helm, you have a whole team of people that write copy, make sure it's accurate, do further research to make sure it's effective to audiences (like focus groups) then re-do it if anything needs changing, make sure it's still accurate, then run it. Typically for seasonal (or longer) campaigns, not one-off social posts.

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yesiknowimsexy t1_ist6e37 wrote

I’d love to work for a place that had a whole team write the copy. Sure there’s multiple eyes on it, but creation (and least for most companies I worked for) had one person doing the job. Maybe another who was capable of being a backup.

SMMs are woefully overworked and undervalued for the amount of work they actually contribute

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CertainKaleidoscope8 t1_isuew60 wrote

That costs money and there is no hospital admin willing to part with their multimillion dollar salaries

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CertainKaleidoscope8 t1_isuefa8 wrote

I would love that cush job. The problem is they'll hire some idiot who thinks $25/hr is a good wage and keep those of us with education and experience working in the hellish nightmare that has become bedside.

The issue is they aren't going to pay $60/hr for a nurse or twice that for a midlevel or four times that for a physician. Most of us would be perfectly happy to not be working 12 hour shifts without breaks five days a week and instead get paid to play on the internet.

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hornsounder9 t1_ist3hre wrote

Oh god no please. This is absolutely a terrible idea, from a security and privacy standpoint.

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Prestigious-Pea7951 t1_issyt14 wrote

For-profit hospitals, drug companies, equipment makers, etc. want repeat customers. There is no money in a cure or prevention for them. It would be like Marlboro saying don’t smoke.

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ipodplayer777 t1_ist3j9r wrote

This. Why would they want you to be healthy? They’d rather you go broke.

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Elphya t1_isu1lba wrote

Or do they want slightly hypochondriac "patients"? Like people coming over for testing and insisting on more tests just to be sure.

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BelCantoTenor t1_ist6715 wrote

Hospitals are mostly for profit corporations. Never trust corporations with your life. Trust the doctor or nurse at your bedside, but not their employer. Corporations only care about profits. Take what they say with a grain of salt.

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QuestionableAI t1_istuwxm wrote

Hospitals are giant CORPORATIONS, not little stand alones... they have investors, CEOs, boards of directors .... they are there for the $$$$$$ not the community and moreover, lots of them are Catholic hospitals who deny services to women.

PR that shite.

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CertainKaleidoscope8 t1_isufsld wrote

Very good points. I'm wondering if the author is from the Commonwealth. Edit, I was close, former colony.

"Anwar F. AlHussainan (Kuwait University, Kuwait), Zahraa A. Jasem (Kuwait University, Kuwait) and Dari Alhuwail (Kuwait University, Kuwait)"

They have no idea how healthcare works in the rest of the world.

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QuestionableAI t1_isugozy wrote

I see. Thank you for that illumination ... I sure missed that.

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CertainKaleidoscope8 t1_isukbw2 wrote

Yeah they have fully subsidized healthcare in Kuwait because it's a rich protectorate of the US. They also have obscene obesity rates so their health issues are not the same. It makes sense for State-run Kuwaiti hospitals to have a social media presence to tell people to try vegetables, excercise more, take their cholesterol medication, etc

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QuestionableAI t1_isuknw5 wrote

Is their obesity historical or is it more recent and have anything to do with dietary changes since western intervention?

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CertainKaleidoscope8 t1_isula48 wrote

I believe Kuwait is one of the fattest countries on earth.

Ischemic heart disease, Low back pain, Diabetes, Depressive disorders, and Headache disorders are cited as the top causes of the most death and disability.

They are extremely wealthy.

Draw whatever conclusions you need.

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CertainKaleidoscope8 t1_isuqri2 wrote

The worlds fattest countris are Polynesian: Nauru, Cook Islands, Palau, Marshall Islands, Tuvalu, Niue, Tonga, Samoa, Kiribati, and Micronesia. This is directly attributable to colonization, destruction of indigenous culture and foodways, and forced second-class citizenship.

The next fattest, in order, are Kuwait, United States, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, (all very rich countries), Lebanon, Libya, Turkey, Egypt, and UAE. Obviously some of the latter have had their wealth pilfered through various proxy wars but Lebanon and Libya are the only ones in real trouble. Most of these nations are doing ok considering. The UAE is obscenely wealthy.

These are followed by these fat cats:

Bahamas, New Zealand, Iraq, Fiji, Bahrain, Canada, Australia, Mexico, Malta, South Africa, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Dominica, United Kingdom, Syria, Dominican Republic, Algeria, Oman, Tunisia, Hungary, Suriname, Lithuania, Morocco, Israel, Czech Republic, Iran, Costa Rica, Venezuela, and Andorra.

So it does appear that obesity afflicts those who had everything stolen from them, as well as those who did the stealing.

It's like a beautiful Greek tragedy that only one of these countries has a for-profit medical system that bankrupts whatever citizens it doesn't kill and equally interesting that all of the economies mentioned were initially based on the capture and sale of human beings. Slavery appears to be the gift that keeps on giving.

It's almost like heart disease, diabetes and somatization disorders are the price the seventh generation pays for genocide. Epigenetics be crazy like that.

Regardless, hiring some tech bro to leverage the low hanging fruit and employ best practices to gain traction with social media consumers seems right on brand for these vultures. They'll keep moving the goalposts until we have more mass extinctions than the Permian-Triassic and make the PETM look like winter.

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Trancetastic16 t1_isxxxzq wrote

You make some good points. Are there some recourses you’re able to share for further reading on the subjects? Thank you.

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Riegel_Haribo t1_istlhzs wrote

Why not just upload medical records directly to Facebook?

There is nothing for you on Instragram except for having every interest of yours turned into a data product for sale.

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Atlamillionaire t1_istuvcf wrote

I thought science was about falsifying theories through experimentation, not making value judgements and prescribing courses of action.

More and more I’m seeing words like “should” appear in the titles of posts in this place.

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CertainKaleidoscope8 t1_isufo2g wrote

This isn't science. This is some hack advocating for more administrative bloat for an industry that is bankrupting everyone they don't kill.

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Atlamillionaire t1_isujjky wrote

It’s the same thing with the universities and administrative bloat. We’re subsidizing this garbage as tuition skyrockets by putting entire generations of students into indentured servitude.

75% of studies in this field aren’t even cited once. It isn’t science, it’s Scientism, and look how much attention this is getting here right now.

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mpb7496 t1_istwga9 wrote

Imagine if they taught healthy lifestyles and nutrition in school! Then maybe you wouldn't need a marketing campaign for hospitals...?

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fitness_life_journey t1_isvl32v wrote

The school lunch programs around here actually have offered healthy meals for kids that qualify.

They have meals using whole grains (even a whole grains lunchables -like pack), carrots with ranch, a fruit, whole grain graham crackers.

Teaching it would be awesome though and Michelle Obama did try to campaign those ideals. Not sure if those programs stuck.

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jeffbezosbush t1_isu47tc wrote

They make money by people being sick in America

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Anastariana t1_isuajex wrote

Why would a hospital promote healthy lifestyles and good choices such that it reduces demand for it's services in the future?

At least, for-profit ones. In the sane part of the world with Universal Healthcare it wouldn't matter.

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Prancicle t1_isuucrm wrote

Information campaigns don't need to be done by a hospital

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axegashington t1_isuxor5 wrote

Hospitals won't do this because they make more money if people are uninformed and unhealthy and everything is profit now. Source: Am nurse switching professions.

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Gayfunguy t1_isvaqaz wrote

Its people like dietitians that need to have more online presence but they dont want to give free info away. And they would have to be monitored that they arnt saying incorrect information or something else unprofessional omline. I mean its in the code of conduct but dietitians can be quite abusive to eachother online with very little repercussions. Hence most people dont want to be social media gurus even more.

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Quiet_Ear_3678 t1_isvfbmr wrote

Public health information is nowhere near accessible enough but the for-profit hospital system is never going to do anything about it. It’s a business model. If it won’t make the CEO money, hospitals won’t do it.

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Lee2026 t1_isvr9x9 wrote

This is a cool idea but would never work in the US. US healthcare is reactionary in that the healthcare systems are structured to keep treating patients.

Instead of preventative healthcare, the US is more concerned with how they can keep billing patients.

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bibbittybobbittyboop t1_isvrgld wrote

Is this a study that was done or just an opinion what is this post how did this not get removed.

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Trancetastic16 t1_isxys81 wrote

This is the standard of quality for r/science, this and Psypost - which is 99% small studies making large claims or actual pseudoscience.

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houstonyoureaproblem t1_isw03br wrote

Not so sure about hospitals, but I do think we'd see some benefit if nutrition information was broadcast through social media. People need that information drilled into their brains for it to have any chance of changing behavior.

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ALLoftheFancyPants t1_isw091k wrote

If you want to improve health literacy, social media presence is not the way to go. Its a great way to just dump money, but it’s not going to have results like using that money to improve public education in health and science…

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Important_Ad_9809 t1_isx2fh5 wrote

The NHS in the UK wastes far too much money on advertising already thanks

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Awellplanned t1_isx9mot wrote

Only if it will make them more money, human health is not a priority for profit medicine.

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kg4jxt t1_istooxt wrote

Zuckerberg is utterly evil! Why would you PROMOTE using Instagram?! Nobody should use it. While you are at it, quit facebook!

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OneHairyMidget t1_isujsqn wrote

Some of them do on LinkedIn. Check out the pages for Cleveland Clinic and Mayo Clinic.

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Wonderful-Cup-9556 t1_isv0yng wrote

And what’s in it for the hospital? Sounds like the people hired for that will be laid off!

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sids99 t1_isv7r6b wrote

Why does that matter? How about they actually IMPROVE?!?

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z0mb1es t1_isvx46b wrote

Specifically instagram? Weird

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boxedcrackers t1_isw0693 wrote

Why is every Hospital designed like a maze?

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Minastik98 t1_isuafeg wrote

101% that, I think it'd help me a lot when I was younger.

But also now dr. Mike is better than any and all of you could ever be.

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