GerogBrimsy t1_iuul8pk wrote
Is it strange that firefighters get unpaid suspension for misconduct, but police get paid vacation for much, much worse. . I'm very confused
Edacitas t1_iuvds5e wrote
You misunderstand. They declared her dead without killing her. Police would have emptied their mags into her making sure she was dead. The firefighters messed up by NOT killing her.
Hazzamo t1_iuvxx2w wrote
BANG BANG BANG
STOP RESISTING!!!
sprint6864 t1_iuwogtj wrote
This is sad, because that happened with the cop who tazed a man before unloading her gun into his back
Hazzamo t1_iuwp34g wrote
I thought it was because she pulled out her pistol by mistake
sprint6864 t1_iuwpssc wrote
That was a different incident, but also doesn't hold up to scrutiny when you realize the taser is on the opposite side to prevent that mistake and don't have anywhere near the same feel/weight
jagdpanzer45 t1_iuumszp wrote
Simple: firefighters don’t have a union. Or, at least, theirs is nowhere near as strong as the police union.
Edit: turns out firefighters do have a union, but the second sentence still stands.
LordAlfrey t1_iuvoh54 wrote
Yet corporations want to convince you that unions are bad and only take your money. Look at cop salaries and benefits then say that again.
sylendar t1_iuw7mmi wrote
>firefighters don’t have a union
You could have spent like 5 seconds googling this, seriously what is wrong with you
jagdpanzer45 t1_iuxtyw5 wrote
Did you not see the second sentence? I might not have googled, but you didn’t even read the next few words.
spizzywinktom t1_iuvzlv8 wrote
r/confidentlyincorrect
Zenmedic t1_iuvue6w wrote
Firefighters do have a union, and it isn't a small one. IAFF would represent them as they are paid firefighters.
Chris_90_TO t1_iuwhe73 wrote
Unions are for coal mines and slaughter houses, why do we still have unions for 'modern public service professions'...
jagdpanzer45 t1_iuwj0ek wrote
Unions are for workers to negotiate with their bosses. They’re for all workers.
Chris_90_TO t1_iuwjx7w wrote
I understand that, but they also add a burden to the employer and customer. I see unions as necessary to protect basic rights and safety, but we have laws for that, so unions are really just looking at salaries and benefits. That's a human resource responsibility. A good employer will provide good benefits and salary to attract and keep good employees. An employer that has to deal with a union has to provide good benefits and salary for all mediocre employees.
jagdpanzer45 t1_iuwkv73 wrote
Historically, almost every advancement for workers has been made by unions. Why should workers trust the law when corporations have much more sway over the people making those laws? Why shouldn’t workers join together to protect their own interests?
Chris_90_TO t1_iuwl84a wrote
Why should the tax dollars of Denver residents go to mediocre firefighters? (that are protected by a union)
jagdpanzer45 t1_iuwlg8s wrote
Because they do their jobs? Because fires being allowed to spread is bad for the community? Because even a ‘mediocre’ firefighter is still fighting fires and saving lives?
Chris_90_TO t1_iuwmhgv wrote
Anyway my understanding of the article is at the police and the firefighters were all incompetent and they get to hide behind their union. If society keeps mediocracy around we will continue to be a mediocre society.
jagdpanzer45 t1_iuwomld wrote
Incompetence and mediocrity are two very different things. If you’re mediocre you’re still doing your job. If you’re incompetent you’re not doing your job. These firefighters were horribly negligent. The police officer, however, was incompetent.
In the case of the union, these firefighters are getting protections because of the principle that everyone deserves a “day in court”. They’re getting a second chance to not fuck up, but should they fuck up again any time within the next five years they will be fired.
immibis t1_iv4w5vo wrote
Spoiler alert: none of the employers are "good employers"
And there aren't competing fire departments
Chris_90_TO t1_ivgr6md wrote
I've never thought about that... there are no "competing fire departments" 🤔 other cities will have other fire departments though, but not always reasonable for people to move far for jobs.
IGotNoStringsOnMe t1_iuwchxe wrote
The LT got over 300 hours of unpaid suspension, two rank demotion and 5 years of probation during which they're ineligible for promotion and if they fuck up *at all* they are fired. The other guy lost his EMT cert also.
The (former) lietenant is a 22 year department veteran. Their career is basically over because they trusted the word of the cop instead of doing their jobs for themselves.
nunziavaer543210 t1_iuurmns wrote
police union has much more significant resources and deep pockets, not to mention they also have DA backing them.
howlrunner_45 t1_iuvib2f wrote
Police misconduct is a feature, not a bug. The police protect property and each other.
FlaLawDog t1_iux82p0 wrote
That's because when people finally get fed up with being robbed by their crooked politicians and civil order breaks down, it's the cops who our "leaders" hope will protect them and their overly-privileged, spoiled brat spawn from a furious public.
marigolds6 t1_iuwemsk wrote
It is because the paid suspension of the police officers happens while they are still under investigation. This unpaid suspension is a punishment after the investigation has been completed. Most likely these firefighters were put on paid suspension during the investigation as well.
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