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Knarrenheinz1989 t1_ivtp4id wrote

If Republicans want to do better in the next election, they should push a ballot initiative to constitutionally protect abortion and lay the issue to rest.

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neddiddley t1_ivvdo48 wrote

In the conservative sub, there are a lot of people questioning the GOP’s unwillingness to bend on this. What they’re failing to grasp is that their party’s identity is so tied to being pro life that any attempt to change course quickly would be shooting themselves in the foot or worse. Think about it. How are evangelicals going to react? Or even others within their base who have been indoctrinated into viewing any and all abortion has pure evil for decades? For every vote they get back because they’ve softened their stance, they’re probably losing two from hardcore ProLifers who feel betrayed.

They’re a damned if they do, damned if they don’t, and they’ve painted themselves into that corner.

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Advanced-Guard-4468 t1_ivvecuf wrote

You can be pro life personal but pro choice for others. I just don't get why people in a free society think they can tell others what or how they can live as long as they don't infringe on my life.

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neddiddley t1_ivvex3k wrote

Yes, you can, but hardcore prolifers don’t view it that way. And those are the ones that will view any softening on the issue by the GOP as a betrayal. And it’s not just the votes they’re concerned with, it’s the $$$ coming from the pro life contingent.

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Advanced-Guard-4468 t1_ivvrw1x wrote

The extremes in both parties is why it's not a federal law allowing one. You have one side that doesn't want any and ones on the otherside that doesn't want any restrictions. There was even a fight amongst dems when they had total control in Washington. They couldn't agree amongst the party to pass law on it.

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TAllday t1_ivymrnq wrote

The Dems position is not extreme. You have one side that wants government restrictions and another side that believes the decision is medical and is between a woman and her doctor. Even if the government does not define a limit, the limit would be the medical ethics and safety of the decision which I believe currently is somewhere around the 20 to 24 week period.

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Advanced-Guard-4468 t1_ivyo6k9 wrote

There are some dems that want zero restrictions even after the baby is born. That's an extreme position.

You post as if everyone in either party has the same position. They don't. Its an individual decision. If all the dems had the same position it would have been codified into law.

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TAllday t1_ivyqedm wrote

Oh cool. I can help you here. This is called a lie.

Edit: Also you already admitted it was a lie and that you knew it was a lie below, where you cite laws that allow for medically necessary (baby is dying or mother is dying) abortions after 24 weeks and not anything like post birth abortions as you claimed.

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Advanced-Guard-4468 t1_ivyqnfn wrote

They were close to passing full term abortion in two states, NY and Illinois.

Two times in my lifetime the dems had totsl control in Washington and couldn't agree on a law.

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TAllday t1_ivyrlct wrote

That is because the Dems have anti-choice people too. Not because of any extreme positions, other than the few Dems that refuse to acknowledge a woman’s health decision should be between the woman and their doctor.

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SwissyVictory t1_ivwc1cv wrote

Alot of people view it as murdering children. It would be like saying "I don't murder, but that guy over there can do it, that's their choice".

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I don't agree with the line of thinking, but you can understand how someone in that position wouldn't want to back down.

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BurghPuppies t1_ivwbbge wrote

Yup. And the Trumpublicans have replaced the Tea Party as the “no compromise” nut job wing of the party. They’d rather lose & be martyrs than soften their stance to come up with an agreement that meets 75% of their demands. And anyone who DOES soften their stance is a RINO, in their eyes.

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DesmondBlack t1_ivxx6i1 wrote

Look what happened to Tomi Lahren. She lost her job at The Blaze because she said she was pro-choice. She was basically canceled.

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neddiddley t1_ivxycxj wrote

Exactly. If the GOP wants to soften their pro life stance, it has to be a very slow and carefully planned transition with a huge internal marketing component. And even then, it’s going to be very dicey getting the evangelicals on board.

There’s just no way they can pull the bandaid off quickly without doing major damage to themselves.

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Knarrenheinz1989 t1_ivvlpzp wrote

Another thing they could do is stop talking about abortion. It is a common strategy for Democrats, including Josh Shapiro, to hide their anti gun views.

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[deleted] t1_ivucpr6 wrote

And if Pennsylvanians want their state to be better they'd deport every republican.

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funkyquasar t1_ivtmmvn wrote

Looks like they now called 7, 18, 160, and 172 for Wentling, Tomlinson, Williams, and Boyle respectively. That gives 100 seats to the Democrats and 99 seats for the Republicans. Four races left, Moffa/Hogan is likely the tipping point.

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rndljfry OP t1_ivts819 wrote

I've been watching 151 since the in-laws live there. The PA website still has the Republican up by only 26 votes.

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pghgamecock t1_ivu1x1y wrote

Why did the PA Dems already declare victory in flipping the state house? Out of 142, 144, and 151, we need to win 2 of those to have the majority.

Moffa's up by exactly 2 votes in 142, and Cerrato is down by a couple dozen votes in 151. I feel like it's extremely premature to declare victory right now when the races are that close. Especially when we just spent the last 2 years deriding Republicans for not understanding that it takes time to count every single vote. We're gonna look really, really dumb if Hogan closes that gap.

Am I missing something?

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rndljfry OP t1_ivu72yr wrote

What's likely going on is that the campaigns have data they are using to measure their own performance based on expectations that they do not release to the public (the kind of thing that was stolen in Watergate).

If they are confident there are x ballots coming from y precinct and those ballots are breaking in their favor by z%, they'll make a statement like this.

For the news media, they have to wait for official returns for recounts and things like that to become publicly available.

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jcaino t1_ivu5gcg wrote

I think they're expecting Cerrato to get a majority of the remaining mail-in ballots to be counted, which somewhere posited that may run through tomorrow.

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rndljfry OP t1_ivu76jw wrote

My in-laws in that district. I am anxiously awaiting the results!

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rndljfry OP t1_ivtflsa wrote

Source

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orangesfwr t1_ivtqsis wrote

Moffa (D) now leads Hogan (R) by 2 votes. Yesterday it was 3 votes the other way. Wild stuff.

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rndljfry OP t1_ivtr2c6 wrote

In 151, the R has a 26 vote lead as of the latest reporting. I try to highlight these with people because every vote counts!

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vasquca1 t1_ivvxc2i wrote

Thomas still has a chance

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