sei556

sei556 t1_j98syum wrote

Thats just bad/lazy design that can easily end up being manipulative. With any form of design, you always have to assume that whoever looks at it later on is the laziest person on earth. Because thats the average.

Your argument is like saying intuitive design for smartphones is useless because people can just read the manual.

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sei556 t1_j138m4k wrote

If perfect is boring, it's not perfect. Perfect can not be bad, it's always whatever your imternal definition of perfect it is. It's always the peak of what it can be.

This just doesnt make any sense.

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sei556 t1_issnrzu wrote

This one is interesting, because he contradicts himself in the video.

He says

>[...]That any virus, including the delta virus, which is much more transmissible and more deadly in terms on non-vaccinated people[...]

Which does imply they can still get it - but then the next sentence he basically says you not gonna get it if you get the vaccine.

So yeah, this is indeed a pretty bad speech of him and terrible wording.

Reading the article onwards:

>While vaccinations have been shown to protect against severe infection and death, they are less effective at preventing infections altogether. Biden's complete remarks during the CNN Town Hall included this context, although he did overstate and say that the vaccines would protect against infection in general.
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>"If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in the IC [intensive care] unit, and you're not going to die," Biden said during the event. "So it's gigantically important that...we all act like Americans who care about our fellow Americans," he added.

So yes, he did spread some missinformation with that first overstatement, but it was directly disputed by himself.

I see how such poor wording can cause confusion and make people angry, but since the real info was out there even before that and he did say it correctly the same day, I don't really see this as a huge issue.

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sei556 t1_isslemo wrote

Can you actually link any speech where this was said? That the vaccine prevents you from getting it. Because if so that's pretty rough

Actually every citizen here has to pay a monthly fee to fund unbiased news. Of course, if something objectively bad happens, they report it as something bad - but overall they just report what factually happaned/was said.

It's inherintly boring to watch but a good source of information on what's going on.

I made some research, and here are some official statements regarding the covid vaccine in the past 3 years that were publicly available in the US (and also directed at US citizen)

The TLDR is:

There was very little missinformation at the beginning which was INSTANTLY reacted to by scientists and health departments.

(Edit: added quotations)

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Dec. 21.2021

Biden

>If you are not fully vaccinated, you have good reason to be concerned. You’re at a high risk of getting sick. And if you get sick, you’re likely to spread it to others, including friends and family. And the unvaccinated have a significantly higher risk of ending up in a hospital or even dying.
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>Almost everyone who has died from COVID-19 in the past many months has been unvaccinated. Unvaccinated.
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>But if you’re among the majority of Americans who are fully vaccinated, and especially if you’ve gotten the booster shot — that third shot — you’re much — you have much, much less reason to worry. You have a high degree of protection against severe illness.
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>And because Omicron spreads so easily, we’ll see some fully vaccinated people get COVID, potentially in large numbers. There will be positive cases in every office, even here in the White House, among the unv- — among the vaccinated — among the vaccinated — from Omicron.
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>But these cases are highly unlikely to lead to serious illness.
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>Vaccinated people who get COVID may get ill, but they’re protected from severe illness and death. That’s why you should still remain vigilant.

I agree that the first sentence may lead to misinformation. Not sure if it's just poor wording, but I get how that one was misleading. Overall, he makes pretty clear that the vaccine does not save you from getting sick though.

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Sep 09. 2021

Biden

>I want to emphasize that the vaccines provide very strong protection from severe illness from COVID-19. I know there’s a lot of confusion and misinformation. But the world’s leading scientists confirm that if you are fully vaccinated, your risk of severe illness from COVID-19 is very low.

Again, mentioning how vaccinated people can still get sick but the chances of severe illness are lower (which is true to the current scientific standpoint)

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March 17.2021

Trump

>"I would recommend it," Mr Trump said during an interview on Fox News Primetime on Tuesday.
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>"I would recommend it to a lot of people that don't want to get it and a lot of those people voted for me, frankly."

Trump recommending vaccine. I also have to agree that here he makes it seem as if the vaccine stops transmission with "I would recommend it to a lot of people that don't want to get it" (because they will still get it even with the vaccine)

However, in a later interview in december he said the same as Biden (that the vaccine merely protects you from severe illness.

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Dec 08. 2020

>The president said the vaccine “will save millions of lives and soon end the pandemic once and for all.” The assertion contradicted health officials who note that it will be months before many Americans can be inoculated and that eradication of COVID-19 is far from assured.

Source: VOA

>Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, meanwhile, said millions of vaccine doses are being shipped but that, despite the good news, Americans must “double down” on public health measures.
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>“As Americans get vaccinated, we need to continue taking steps like washing our hands, social distancing, and wearing face coverings to protect ourselves, our loved ones, and our communities,” Azar said in a statement.

So this is the most of missinformation I could find. And it's not even that bad. Trump made an overstatement with how good the vaccine was, but this was instantly disproved by scientists and PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.

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sei556 t1_issctof wrote

Well this thread was talking about the covid vaccine, so it only makes sense to mention it.

What other lies and hypocrisy you mean? Care to elaborate?

Also, no, I never watched CNN (except for that one time during the election because it had better covering than our tv stations).

Our neutral TV stations actually do cover the US quite a bit every once in a while since you are a big international player and your politics are important to us aswell.

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sei556 t1_iss8xh2 wrote

I've just read the official covid preparedness plan of your gov. It was released in march (?) this year and already truthfully talks about the vaccine (that its cause is to stop hospitalizations and death, not transmission).

I bet if I dig deeper I'll find earlier dates with that info to, just how they were honest about it here aswell.

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sei556 t1_iso5h2l wrote

I see this argument so often recently and as someone from germany, I am so confused.

Around here it was pretty much said everywhere that the vaccine does not stop transmission. It was also said by scientists on TV that it doesn't stop you from getting it either, it will only make you have milder symptoms and saves you from the hospital in most cases.

Which, if you remember back, was a huge issue because hospitals were filled up to the brim.

People here still got vaccinated - because it was (and still is) a reasonable thing to do.

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