kneedeepco

kneedeepco t1_j7326jg wrote

Huh?

We don't have to talk to a dog to know it has differing experiences from us, though granted I would say dogs are probably one of the closer animals to humans as far as that goes. That's beside the point though, because we can easily derive that the eyesight and scent dogs have create a different sensory experience than we have.

Science has allowed us to begin to understand the experience of other animals, we don't have to "talk to them".

Bats clearly experience reality differently than we do, Bugs as well, etc... It's all essentially the function of an output determined by chemical/sensory inputs. That's basically what op was getting at.

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kneedeepco t1_iuejhzq wrote

Yup this is a multifaceted problem. For one the lack of public transportation leads to an increase in the need of personal transportation such as an e-bike. Second, low wages lead to consumers leading to less than desirable products out of necessity. Third, we outsourced our labor to countries with much more loose regulations.

Our culture preaches profit first and these companies are following that. They don't care about consumer safety or the quality of their product as long as people will buy it and they'll make money.

Lastly... THERE IS A COST FOR EVERYTHING!!

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kneedeepco t1_itwqyv2 wrote

No doubt, I definitely didn't explain it the best as I've made those connections but haven't dove too deep into it yet. I think you explained it very well though!

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kneedeepco t1_itulebq wrote

Eh I think this is twisting nature a bit to support exploitative views. Plus there's something additional about us that means we don't have to abide by the actions of all other living organisms.

On my first point, it can be seen that way if you consider anything beyond laying down at birth, not consuming anything, and dying, to be the true form of "no exploitation". Otherwise I'd say most animals take what they need and don't cause too much harm back to the local environment. Especially no where even near the scale of what we do. Even the species that do, we identify them as "invasive species" and have government funded programs to eradicate them. Even then, most invasive species are at the fault of humans.

Secondly, we are intelligent conscious beings that with the right mindset can live in harmony, or as close to it, with the rest of nature. We have science that observes nature and let's us know the standing of our actions. We currently have plenty of evidence to support that our actions are directly causing many ecological disasters and yet we make no action to improve. Rather we double down and continue to increase growth with no control. Nature he checks and balances, usually in the form of predators, to ensure that things are running smoothly. Humans have no meaningful predators except each other and planet earth.

"Dominating earth" is somewhat naturally embedded but we make conscious decisions on what natural things we support or not. Rape is a common natural occurrence yet we understand the morals of that much deeper than other animals so we try to get rid of it in society. We can make the same decision for exploiting nature and conclude it's something we should not do. Nature is amazing in so many ways, yet it's not perfect and has it's fair share of the "dark side" too.

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