SanSeb

SanSeb t1_j1vu6j3 wrote

Listen "idiot", the decision to cast them as black, is still woke. But they at least tried to make it fit with there being a whole family. Also, all the characters where well written, so this issue does not have a major impact on the show itself.

Meanwhile the lotr universe having only white male dwarves and one random black female one, is weird without explanation. The actress did a good job though I have to say.

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SanSeb t1_j1vtt2z wrote

Insults are no criticism. As said before, all you guys are obviously from the US, have no discussion culture and don't know anything else then being black or white and insulting people. That's why you stick to two political parties and support them like a boyband instead of caring for actual topics that would bring you forward.

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SanSeb t1_j1vtf3y wrote

HotD has great characters. Female and Male. Therefore the issue with the race of the Valaryans can be overlooked. The lead protagonists Rhaenyra and Alicent show feminine attributes that make them believable, foremost the well-being of their kids. They are not jumping around and single handedly killing monsters and physically strong knights. Because no sense in a world that is not "woke".

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SanSeb t1_j1vqlb7 wrote

Just have another look at the scene where Galadriel and her crew search for Sauron in the snowy mountains. Horrible traits and character.

Also, it seems like you guys have very extreme views, so if I would tell you now that certain attributes and traits are more natural with males and others more with females you probably would insult me again like others here, so what's the point to further elaborate.

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SanSeb t1_j1vq02p wrote

Well, yeah that was probably expressed in a wrong manner. They were making money that's true, but let's say the expectation of the success was probably a bit higher. Just look at the new trilogy which is mostly regarded as bad now, doesn't have the merchandise sales as expected, etc. So the hype basically died down, besides some "classic" series like Mandalorian bringing back a bit of the former feeling.
RoP was hoping to get the old lotr crowd on board but also being criticized a lot and could have been much better based on the expectations.

So in that sense they maybe didn't flop, but weren't successful because the focus was on shoehorning in some characters instead writing good stories.

HotD at least tried to make a bit of sense with the recasting, while RoP as mentioned just placed tokens in every culture without explaining any further. I would have wanted for them to introduce these new people and races properly into the world. Maybe take the Haradrim who are a arabic-esque group but that obviously wouldn't be relevant for the American market. Here is has to be a black person to check that diversity box. But here we in the rest of the world don't really care. Do it right or not at all. And just placing a random black person into a medieval setting is just weird. Especially when these characters get no proper backstory. I think that's no real inclusion and I don't understand how people here see this criticism as racism instead of being vocal for these minorities to being protrayed with a little bit more respect.

But as said somewhere else in this thread, people don't even care and just want to insult.

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SanSeb t1_j1vog0n wrote

Thanks bud, but this battle here is lost.

Just triggered people all around not understanding my issue with these movies and shows being made. Even wishing for black or asian people getting real stories and backstories is now racist. Completely weird.
The mentioned characters of stuckshift guy are what are well written female characters, caring for their kid/crew/people instead of being a ultra talented ninja with no flaws.

But whatever. Being called an incel that only speaks to his Grandma again in 3, 2, 1,..
Kappa

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SanSeb t1_j1vlhnh wrote

If you would have read my post correctly, you would have seen that I mentioned, that different races should be included in a way that it makes sense and that women should be portrayed as women with great traits and not as men that behave like arrogant antagonists.

And I believe if that would be the case, the quality of the shows would rise and therefore the success would be bigger, yes.

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