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Petrichor02 t1_jee9hm5 wrote

That actually does surprise me. I thought Clone Wars got really good eventually, but the first 3 or 4 seasons felt more hit or miss to me than the show it would eventually become.

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Petrichor02 t1_jecl4rc wrote

Pretty much agreed. I’ve loved Rebels and Bad Batch. They’re some of my favorite Star Wars things. Obi-Wan, Clone Wars, and Mando have been a step down from there but still good. And TBoBF a couple of steps down from there.

Haven’t seen Andor or Resistance yet.

EDIT: May I ask why this is being downvoted? I’m not purposely avoiding Andor if that’s the point of contention, lol!

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Petrichor02 t1_jc7m2h6 wrote

I read 11/22/63, A Game of Thrones, Turn of the Screw (The Haunting of Bly Manor), and Daisy Jones & the Six when I learned they were going to be turned into shows, but I read the books before the shows premiered.

I think the only book I've read after watching the TV adaptation is The Haunting of Hill House.

All other adaptations I've watched I had already read the books before I knew they were being turned into a TV show or I haven't read the books at all.

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Petrichor02 t1_jacwwhy wrote

Yeah, there's a lot of good stories that could be told post-Season 5, but the post-Season 5 we got usually just did the worst possible version of each of those stories. Case in point, how do you go bigger than the devil? You could go with the living embodiment of chaos, the Leviathan. And post-Season 5 of Supernatural did that! ...But it wasn't just the one Leviathan, it was multiple leviathans, and they had nothing to do with the chaos dragon of lore or any sort of leviathan mythos really, instead just being virtually immortal versions of an enemy the brothers have already fought multiple times.

What gets me though is that Kripke was still writing on the show in Season 6. Yes, he was no longer the head writer, but he was still consulting, directly writing a couple of episodes, and was apparently okay with all of the lore inconsistencies and plot holes that Season 6 produced (unless he only had knowledge about the episodes he was working on and not any of the others).

Because of that and the low points of the Carver era, I think I would still be skeptical of a post-S5 new Kripke era even though those first five seasons were amazing.

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Petrichor02 t1_j7gvf5t wrote

Reply to comment by vba7 in Is lost worth watching? by OKC2023champs

They said the island wasn't purgatory. The island wasn't purgatory. >!There was an element towards the end that was reminiscent of purgatory, but when you really get down to it, that element and purgatory ultimately have no more in common than Earth and purgatory do.!<

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Petrichor02 t1_j7gglnv wrote

Reply to comment by vba7 in Is lost worth watching? by OKC2023champs

> the authors said that the show wouldnt end with a particular ending.. and then it had that particular ending.

This is untrue. The creators did say that the show wouldn't end in a particular way, and it didn't end that way. However, there was an element within the ending that had some superficial similarities to the way that the creators said it wouldn't end, so some people misinterpreted the ending as being the way the creators said it wouldn't be.

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Petrichor02 t1_j7ggar5 wrote

Lost is absolutely worth watching, but your enjoyment will vary depending on a few factors:

  1. Are you able to watch the show while giving it your full attention? If you watch it in the background or while on your phone, you're very likely to miss something, be it foreshadowing, a character connection, a lore detail, an answer to a mystery, etc. It's not easy to get lost watching the show if you're paying full attention to it, but it's apparently very easy to get lost watching the show if you're only half paying attention to it.

  2. Do you hate shows that have any reference to religion whatsoever? This is particularly important because Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Taoism, and more eclectic religions are all referenced throughout the show. Sometimes they're very important to the characters. Sometimes they explain how a character will react to and interpret certain sci-fi weirdness that they encounter. A lot of people I know who watched and hated the show did so because they can't stand any reference to religion in a show, and there is a decent bit of it in Lost. This has also influenced how some audience members interpret the show (for better or worse). For example, there is a particularly iconic scene from the show that takes place in a religious setting, and lore is explained at this setting. Because of the setting, some people interpreted the explained lore through that religion's popular mythos even though the show never said that the lore being explained adhered to that religion's mythos.

  3. Related to the above, are you able to use the information a show gives you to determine what is true despite character interpretations to the contrary? The show answers most mysteries that it presents, but certain characters interpret those answers through a limited point of view and understanding. As such, if you stick to just the characters' interpretations of those answers rather than the full answer that the show gives you through various avenues, you may find the "answer" as interpreted by the characters disappointing or contradictory even though the show has explained that the characters' interpretation is just an interpretation, not the full answer.

  4. Are you one to theorize on your own as the show progresses? If so, don't let yourself get married to any of your theories as that led to a lot of disappointment in people. That said, I do encourage you to really think about and try to figure out what's going on as you watch it as that's part of the fun and will make the reveals make more sense since you've been giving the mysteries thought as the show progresses.

  5. Do you need the answers spelled out for you, or are you okay inferring the answers? For example, at a certain point the show may say "Here's a mystery, and the answer is either A, B, or C." Then a season later it'll say "The answer to that mystery isn't B." Then a season later it'll say "The answer to that mystery isn't C." And then it'll never reference the mystery again. You'll just have to know from inference that the mystery was answered, the answer was A, but the show didn't need to come out and say that to you explicitly because it explained how the answer couldn't be any other possibility.

  6. Are you okay with answers being sci-fi in nature rather than being super grounded in real life? While everything in the show that is answered could be argued to work via a real world branch of science or pseudoscience, some of them are stretched to sci-fi limits. Basically if you don't mind lightsabers and teleporters where there is a "science" to explain things even though that science wouldn't actually work in real life, then you're going to be fine. The answers may seem like "the Force" at certain points where there is no real scientific answer, but everything in the show can be argued and interpreted through a hard sci-fi lens. You don't need to interpret any of it through a fantasy/sci-fi lens (though it is easier for some people to swallow some of the answers that way).

If you keep those things in mind and don't have an issue with any of them, you should absolutely give the show a shot. Watch the two-part pilot. If that doesn't hook you but does interest you, watch through 1x04 "Walkabout". If that doesn't hook you but you're still interested in the show, watch through 1x10 "Raised By Another". If you're still not hooked on the show by that point, the show may just not be for you.

But do your best not to look up anything about the show as you watch because spoilers are everywhere.

Also, there are a number of canon pieces of the show that are found through webisodes and the like, so if you want to watch these extra parts of the show, let me know and I'll send you a list/links to the extra parts as well as when to watch them to get the full experience of the show.

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Petrichor02 t1_j6j9q9t wrote

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - It's best watched in timeline order with the movies as the plots of each dovetail into each other (and make sure you watch at least the first season of Agent Carter before watching Season 7 of this show). If you're just getting started with the MCU, you may have to push through the first 12 episodes as the show doesn't really become regularly good until 1x13 (and doesn't become regularly great until closer to 1x17 or so).

Arrested Development - You can treat Season 3 as the final season or Season 5 as the final season. Arguments can be made either way as to which is preferable. Also if you do continue past Season 3, there are two different versions of Season 4 (and, naturally, arguments as to which version is better).

Battlestar Galactica - There are web series, movies, and a miniseries that are intended to be watched along with the show to give you the full story.

Brooklyn 9-9 - Season 8 starts out rough, but push through because the finale is worth it.

Cougar Town - Push through until you get past the Season 1 Thanksgiving episode and the show will slowly improve from there.

The various Defenders shows - Make sure you watch in release/timeline order. This is particularly important for Daredevil S3, The Punisher, and The Defenders.

LOST - There are various web series and videos to watch along with the show if you want the full story.

Runaways - Don't watch Season 3 until after you've watched Cloak & Dagger.

Scrubs - Season 9 is technically Season 1 of Scrubs: Med School rather than a continuation of the main story. Also make sure to check out the Scrubs: Interns web series between Seasons 7 and 8. And try to find a version of the show that has the original music rather than the streaming versions that have the original music stripped out.

Supernatural - Treat it as a five season show with a six season sequel show which has its own four season sequel show rather than one 15 season show. When you get to the end of Season 5 cut it off in the last minute or so when a lamp post appears. If you are satisfied with that as the ending, or you're a stickler for lore and continuity, treat that as the end of the show (but maybe track down a list of good later standalone episodes). If you don't care about lore and continuity and you want to continue seeing more stories featuring the main characters, proceed to Season 6. Then do the pause, reflect, and decide if you're happy with the current scene as an ending thing again in the Season 11 finale when there's a large shot of the sun. (You could arguably do this pause, reflect, and decide if you like that ending before proceeding for 15x19 as well.) Also, for Season 1 make sure you find a version that has the original music rather than the streaming versions where the original music was removed and replaced.

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Petrichor02 t1_j6fr0sj wrote

A retcon is any retroactive continuity regardless of whether it contradicts information that came before or not. If new information is treated as having always been true, it’s technically a retcon.

Though technically the Vader thing is kind of a retcon that contradicts previous information since the previous movie said Anakin was killed by Vader. (This is especially the case with that example since it wasn’t Lucas’s original plan for Vader to be Anakin.)

However OP is presumably asking about TV retcons, so it wouldn’t count on those grounds.

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Petrichor02 t1_j5vtmmw wrote

Insomnia for Christopher (I know some people really like it, but it wasn't for me), Westworld for Jonathan (I really liked the premise but struggled to finish the first season because the only characters I found likable kept getting killed off or were robots that I felt no stakes for), and Memento for both (don't get me wrong, I LOVED Memento the first time I watched it, but every time I rewatch it I find myself liking it a little bit less as I've found that the best parts of the movie are the novelty and the twists which lose their punch on repeated viewings... and I've rewatched Memento at least four times).

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Petrichor02 t1_j5ve9rq wrote

Lost is my personal favorite network TV show as well, and I prefer Lost. During its first three seasons, Person of Interest definitely felt like it might be competing with one of my top spots and giving Lost a challenge, but I was less of a fan of some of the developments in the last two seasons, which dropped it down. POI is probably around my 13th favorite network TV show. If you drop animated shows and shows that didn't get a planned conclusion, it might be my 6th favorite. So it's up there for me, but I did have some issues with it as it went on.

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Petrichor02 t1_j5v70du wrote

Oh the projects of theirs I've seen, I think I'd rank them as: Christopher > Both > Both > Both > Both > Both > Jonathan > Both > Christopher > Christopher > Christopher > Jonathan > Christopher

My favorite and least favorite are solo Christophers, but I have to agree that on average I tend to like them working together the best.

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Petrichor02 t1_j5v5zzu wrote

If you watched all of the first season and felt like it was just a regular cop procedural then you missed the serialized subplots that were threaded throughout each episode that tied into the overarching narrative.

Eventually the serialized subplots become the full plot instead of subplots though, which is where a lot of people fall in love with the show. I personally liked the mix better than when it went fully serialized, but that's just me.

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Petrichor02 t1_j5twybn wrote

Despite POI being regularly called a procedural, it's more of a serialized procedural (and only for the first two or three seasons).

In other words, most episodes in the first three seasons have an A plot, a B plot, and a C plot. The B and C plots are highly serialized and continue the ongoing storyline episode to episode. It's just the A plot that is procedural, and if you skip an episode and miss the B and C plots, you'll be lost as to the ongoing storyline. So it's not a procedural where you can duck in and out of episodes and not miss anything, and each episode only focuses on the case of the week. I think there are only two episodes in its entire run that don't have any serialized elements in them.

But regardless of the above, the show is still good good, IMO. If you like Batman, think of the beginning of the show as a realistic take on Batman but with Bruce being split between two characters where one has his looks, fighting and weapons prowess, tragic back story, and vigilante mindset while the other has his genius, charm, social graces, and money. That perspective makes the procedural parts of the episodes much more fun.

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Petrichor02 t1_j5tmsaj wrote

It's been a while since I watched the show, and I stopped at the end of Season 1 after the reveal, but from what I remember it was something akin to >!unresolved PTSD/depression/survivor's guilt that he managed to not be in the World Trade Centers on 9/11 when he was supposed to have been there!<. This may not be 100% correct, or there may be more nuance that I'm forgetting, but this was at the heart of it.

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Petrichor02 t1_j1nsflw wrote

For me it’s an episode that doesn’t contribute to the overarching narrative or important, required character development for the plot to make sense. So an episode that is 99% irrelevant to the plot and has no character development but 1% of it does contribute to the plot, that’s not filler to me (though it may still be skippable).

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Petrichor02 t1_j1b82qq wrote

With all of the CW shows that are being canceled and the number of Supernatural fans who I know have sworn off watching this show on principle, I would be surprised if it gets a Season 2. And since the producers have talked about the big explanation for why The Winchesters appears to be contradicting canon coming in the season finale, I'm suspecting it'll end on a cliffhanger one way or the other.

So I've been in no hurry to watch it even though I do plan on watching it one day even if it gets canceled without a real conclusion (with it only being 13 episodes long and me being a franchise completionist, I feel like I at least have to give it a shot at some point). Based on what I have heard about the show though, I'm not particularly excited to watch even though I do think some of the ideas that have been included sound interesting.

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Petrichor02 t1_iy5ecfh wrote

I've seen a random handful of episodes. Didn't really like Nosedive or Hang the DJ. I thought Bandersnatch and San Junipero were mostly good, but neither hooked me on the show/made me want to watch more. And I really liked Black Museum. So overall I don't consider myself a Black Mirror fan since it's been really hit or miss for me.

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