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Marciu73 OP t1_j1zf6m5 wrote

Germany on Wednesday shrugged off Russia’s ban on oil sales to countries and companies that comply with a price cap agreed by Western allies, saying it has “no practical significance.”

“I would not like to say that it’s irrelevant but it has no practical significance,” said an economy ministry spokeswoman, adding that Germany has been preparing since early summer to do without Russian oil.

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CredibleCactus t1_j21qa39 wrote

Germany: you destroyed any reliance left when you blew up those pipes

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Typohnename t1_j21y176 wrote

Pretty much,

on that day the general opinion in Germany about Russian energy went from "It's difficult" to "It's over"

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BeaverOnFire t1_j22bdnx wrote

What are you talking about? It was over way before that, practically and in the publics opinion.

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Seth_Bader t1_j22wp1o wrote

Yea but politicians

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QueenVanraen t1_j22zbs0 wrote

Yeah, same with how they push for full surveillance every year only to get shot down, they'd have pushed for russian pipes still.

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Gammelpreiss t1_j243hfp wrote

not even that aside some singular opinions here and there.

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EnviousMind t1_j24po9k wrote

Not entirely true. There were always calls from small public groups and politicians in the opposition to get Nordstream 2 running.

THAT however ended with the burst of the pipes.

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CumtissueSevant t1_j22ksmz wrote

Is there evidence that Russia was responsible for the pipeline sabotage?

Apologies for the sincere question.

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origamiscienceguy t1_j22mwzg wrote

The fact that Russia wasn't threatening nuclear war on the one responsible.

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CumtissueSevant t1_j22nwld wrote

With all due respect, that’s not exactly evidence.

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origamiscienceguy t1_j22o8ef wrote

In world politics, courts and investigations matter little. Russia is going to blame whoever they want, and the rest of the world is not going to care.

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ric2b t1_j23too4 wrote

Something like that can't really be resolved in court anyway, so educated speculation is the best we're going to get.

Unless whoever did it screwed up and left some damning evidence behind.

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CumtissueSevant t1_j2507iz wrote

They are investigating the act though, I feel like it’s not unrealistic with satellite surveillance to have a chance of documenting which ships were near the explosions.

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vialtwirl t1_j227ygq wrote

Yeah Russia overplayed their hand hard and too early. Well they didn't really have much. The West was much smarter rolling out the sanctions bits at a time, gradually increasing pressure. Russia has nothing left to squeeze.

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Law-of-Poe t1_j22gcah wrote

Russia is going all “you’ll never find anyone as good as me!” as Europe happily moves on

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RandomComputerFellow t1_j249njl wrote

Fact is Russian oil was irrelevant for Europe all the time. Oil is very easy to transport. What would really hurt Russia is a price cap and the ban of gas. In the contrary to oil, gas is much more difficult to transport it without pipelines.

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Janni0007 t1_j223p0j wrote

Oil is not gas. Germany was never that reliant in Russian oil ( where they made 10 times as much money compared to gas)

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Typohnename t1_j21zdew wrote

We couldn't at that point, but now Germany has LNG terminals running and other countries too spend the past 10 months implementing alternatives to Russian gas

The facts about the Situation changed and therefore the mood changed with it

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RndmNumGen t1_j22i7ix wrote

The price cap is on oil (not gas).

In response Russia is banning export of oil (not gas).

Speaking of gas, Germany has been spending these past few months building up their LNG infrastructure, so that they aren’t dependent on Russian gas — so if they do end up needing to drop Russia as a supplier, there won’t be anything ‘sudden’ about it.

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JBredditaccount t1_j22850h wrote

> Excuse me, but I thought the West had been continuing to buy gas from Russia throughout the conflict because it COULDNT simply turn on a dime and do without. So now we’re suddenly fine with that,

I don't think you know how time works. Do you know how long this war has been going on? This isn't sudden at all.

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dzhastin t1_j22o749 wrote

This war has been going on since February. The situation has changed significantly since then. Do try and keep up if you’re just going to get hysterical over your lack of understanding

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