Submitted by IndependentTHNKR t3_zvjo85 in worldnews
Derbre t1_j1pxhw3 wrote
Reply to comment by Krailik in Russia ready to resume gas supplies to Europe via Yamal-Europe pipeline -Novak by IndependentTHNKR
Nope. They are trying to Influence the european population. Yesterday there were plenty of headlines, that russia wants to end the war via negotiations. Today this. This is all to weaken the support of the europeans to continue to support ukraine.
RepulsiveVoid t1_j1q1xa7 wrote
Russia severely underestimates both the amount of hate they have created against them and the lenght of the memory europeans have of their terror tactics agains europeans.
Chiliconkarma t1_j1q3x99 wrote
Doesn't have to depend on hate. They attacked Ukraine, they are in the wrong, they will continue to be in the wrong for the rest of this war.
They can't go around the fact that their crimes were volountary.
destroythenseek t1_j1r1acr wrote
I hope no one forgets that 200k people so far died at the hands of these assholes. No I don't want your oil.
RepulsiveVoid t1_j1rcsov wrote
This is the part that Putin and the rest of the ruling Russians don't understand about the West.
In Russsia that's just a Tuesday, but not so for us. Our morals are completely different from what is normal in Russia.
So yea. No tanks, no oil or natural gas from murderous facists. We'll find another way.
Jonsj t1_j1sfrq9 wrote
There is plenty of hate as well, the easter European countries remember how they were treated during the Soviet union and Warsaw pact era.
Spikes_Cactus t1_j1q3c06 wrote
You'd be surprised about how quickly the common people forget. How else would bad politicians, governments or regimes get back into power after being proven wrong first time?
Velociraptorius t1_j1qpudz wrote
Yeah and it's not like this invasion came out of nowhere. Hello, Russia has been trying to reclaim former territories of the USSR piece by piece since its collapse. Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea. All these russian invasions the world looked past. The Ukrainian invasion may have been bigger, but if the Ukrainians hadn't shown the incredible backbone and competence at repelling the invasion and actually got large parts of their country occupied with no chance of taking it back, I guarantee that five to ten years later the world would have looked upon this situation with the same apathy they ascribe to those previous invasions. There is, infuriatingly, STILL opinions present that Ukraine should allow Russia to keep parts of its territory in exchange for peace. Some people never change.
atomicxblue t1_j1rl3dg wrote
I don't see Ukraine willing to give away any more of its land. Russia wants to control the country, but as we've seen, they would never be able to take the whole thing by force. They have to come take out bites every so often.
Zelenskyy knows full well that he could get them to back off by giving up a large percentage of his territory, but he also knows that if he does, there's not much to stop Russia from coming back for more later. This is why he's pushed for his country to be whole again.
Velociraptorius t1_j1rpxe3 wrote
I know that very well. Hopefully the Western leaders will too. But they should have learned that lesson with Crimea.
Visual_Bathroom_6917 t1_j1sf9d1 wrote
Wasn't Bush praised everywhere lately (for basically not being Trump)? Wasn't he responsible for 500.000 deaths lying about WMD? In 10 years nobody will give a fuck
RepulsiveVoid t1_j1q5a03 wrote
This seems to be a larger issue in countries with FPTP voting, but you do have an unfortunately accurate point.
I don't understand why ppl don't look at what the parties did when they were in power when new elections are held.
crlcan81 t1_j1qyac1 wrote
Honestly I don't get why someone hasn't assassinated Putin already.
RepulsiveVoid t1_j1rbbw6 wrote
He still hasn't upset/lost enough of his key supporters. Some of them might already be ready to get rid of him, but not enough of them.
And thus he still has enough security that a simple assasination plot by f.ex. Ukraine is incredibly hard to pull off.
Check out this CGP Grey - Rules for Rules vid for a more in depth explanation.
Derbre t1_j1q2f4j wrote
I dont agree. There are several populist parties that gratefully use russias messages to strengthen their support in the population and have success with this. For example the AFD (a far right German Party) now is supported by 15% of the Germans. Before they were around 10%.
kraenk12 t1_j1r1jig wrote
That’s not true.
Derbre t1_j1r7k6u wrote
No? Please elaborate.
kraenk12 t1_j1r9htl wrote
AfD is currently losing on a weekly basis with 13.8% currently. Prices have come down that’s all it took.
Derbre t1_j1rg0j4 wrote
So we are talking about 1%point deviation. Sorry, my dude. This is ridiculous.
ChevaucheurReveur t1_j1rk4ag wrote
Just curious, i'm not a specialist : isn't the right wording 1 point instead of 1% point ?
Derbre t1_j1rmndm wrote
Not sure, but you may be right. I am not a native speaker. In my language it is percentage points.
RepulsiveVoid t1_j1q4s62 wrote
I guess the view is different when you live right next to Russia vs having a couple of countries as bufferzones.
"Ryssä on Ryssä, vaikka sen voissa paistaisi"
TXTCLA55 t1_j1qa3t8 wrote
It's a rather amusing cycle... They make threats, and when those go unanswered they propose talks, maybe gas, and when thats ignored it's back to threats. This is the Russian playbook lol.
Velociraptorius t1_j1qqwqv wrote
It must frustrate them to no end when neither of these cards they used to successfully play work, and they check their playbook only to find that they have nothing else to play.
Gyftycf t1_j1qmwu6 wrote
Fuck em. I bought all European families I know blankets this year for Christmas. Russia can keep their literally bloody oil.
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