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Memory_Glands t1_j1pikqw wrote

Russia blocked natural gas exports via Yamal in May when Poland refused to switch to ruble payment. Their backpedaling now shows that Russia already doesn’t have any leverage over Europe regarding energy exports. This went quicker than expected…

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lebup t1_j1s4ry3 wrote

Do we still even need their gas?

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skaag t1_j1se7rm wrote

At this point, not really! However if the war suddenly ended and their gas was priced below market, Europe would obviously resume buying that gas.

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whythisSCI t1_j1sizc2 wrote

Which is crazy and shortsighted considering the sequence of events that have led the current situation.

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DavidlikesPeace t1_j1ub2d5 wrote

To be fair, everyone's continued dependency on gas is incredibly shortsighted. Climate change should be well enough cause to divest. Europe's reliance on Russia just takes the grotesque to a whole other level.

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lebup t1_j1senk4 wrote

Holland has his own gas, but buying is cheaper lol

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gizmadin t1_j1q7b97 wrote

"doesn’t have any leverage over Europe regarding energy exports"

meanwhile europe electric, oil and gas prices goes brrr *insert confused pikachu face*

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Memory_Glands t1_j1q8gsp wrote

They don‘t, all prices (wholesale AND consumer) have massively come down since their peak in September. Seems like the worst is over.

https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/energiemonitor-deutschland-gaspreis-spritpreis-energieversorgung

Scroll down to „Wie sich die Preise für Energie entwickeln“ („How Energy prices evolve“).

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bobbyorlando t1_j1qa34i wrote

Those are cool and informative graphs, thanks for the link!

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CakeEnjoyur t1_j1qcme8 wrote

What Russian propaganda does to the average Serbian:

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akuma211 t1_j1qtu3v wrote

Hello Russian troll, EU gas prices are actually very reasonable right now.

How's the Russian front lines going for ya lmao

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RobbieQuarantino t1_j1r7p9k wrote

Sorry bro. No matter how hard you beat off to the thought of Europeans freezing to death due to lack of Russian gas, it's not going to happen.

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OhImGood t1_j1r3fax wrote

"Hey Russian sympathisers, how's losing to Ukraine going?"

"European gas prices...? :("

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TheNplus1 t1_j1rw7cj wrote

EU gas prices currently sit at +20% since the beginning of the year lol! And the electricity prices are set based on gas prices.

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Intrepid_Egg_7722 t1_j1sm252 wrote

Least idiotic Serbian national, this guy. Makes we wonder why they even joined the EU if they were going to spend the next decade simping for Russia.

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Snoo-19350 t1_j1sso20 wrote

We did not join yet, and looks like we won't soon because our policies are shit. I do hope we steer over to a pro-EU agenda in the future.

Though you need to re-learn who the members of the EU are.

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Intrepid_Egg_7722 t1_j1svohy wrote

You are correct. Not sure why I thought Serbia was in the EU, probably from some half-remembered watching of their positioning/candidacy when I was in school.

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yeroc420 t1_j1prszj wrote

Russia will never be respected again with Putin as their leader. Putin literally pussy foots around the war like it’s nothing while he destroys 2 counties including his own and hurts the world.

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crlcan81 t1_j1qy4mz wrote

You mean the former KGB guy? It's almost like people who run triple letter agencies make bad leaders.

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Lord_Nivloc t1_j1rb7sg wrote

Well, he did an impressive job for the first decade or so. Authoritarian, killed a lot of people for political gain, but dragged Russia out of the post-collapse gutter.

But then Putin decided that he would never join the club with the Evil Western Powers.

And then he decided that he could bully Ukraine with no consequences. And then he decided that he could invade Ukraine with no consequences. And he decided to do it at possibly the worst possible time, when the US arms industry was sitting around twiddling their thumbs.

And then he doubled down. And doubled down again. And again, and again.

And now Russia is ruined, and he’ll be remembered as one of the worst rulers in modern history. (But still not the worst in Russia’s modern history, oof)

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thomasz t1_j1rwyk3 wrote

Not Putin. George W. Bush dragged Russia out of the gutter by sending the oil price into the stratosphere in the early 2000s.

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Can_of_Ubik t1_j1s0fih wrote

True. That and Kasyanov's rather generic post-soviet economic reforms.

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destroythenseek t1_j1r10ro wrote

Nah, the the three letter agencies are just derivatives of an unhealthy society. They'd likely make fine leaders of a useful entity.

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atomicxblue t1_j1rkb6i wrote

My favorite is how he goes on TV and then portrays mother Russia as a hapless victim in all this.

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Fuzz557 t1_j1shewy wrote

He's doing this to end the nazis America is supporting fool.

/s

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more_random22 t1_j1sauev wrote

Yet europe will slurp up his gas and pretend they aren’t funding him

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Krailik t1_j1pjaxs wrote

Why?

Running out of money to continue the messy, murderous war?

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Derbre t1_j1pxhw3 wrote

Nope. They are trying to Influence the european population. Yesterday there were plenty of headlines, that russia wants to end the war via negotiations. Today this. This is all to weaken the support of the europeans to continue to support ukraine.

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RepulsiveVoid t1_j1q1xa7 wrote

Russia severely underestimates both the amount of hate they have created against them and the lenght of the memory europeans have of their terror tactics agains europeans.

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Chiliconkarma t1_j1q3x99 wrote

Doesn't have to depend on hate. They attacked Ukraine, they are in the wrong, they will continue to be in the wrong for the rest of this war.

They can't go around the fact that their crimes were volountary.

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destroythenseek t1_j1r1acr wrote

I hope no one forgets that 200k people so far died at the hands of these assholes. No I don't want your oil.

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RepulsiveVoid t1_j1rcsov wrote

This is the part that Putin and the rest of the ruling Russians don't understand about the West.

In Russsia that's just a Tuesday, but not so for us. Our morals are completely different from what is normal in Russia.

So yea. No tanks, no oil or natural gas from murderous facists. We'll find another way.

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Jonsj t1_j1sfrq9 wrote

There is plenty of hate as well, the easter European countries remember how they were treated during the Soviet union and Warsaw pact era.

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Spikes_Cactus t1_j1q3c06 wrote

You'd be surprised about how quickly the common people forget. How else would bad politicians, governments or regimes get back into power after being proven wrong first time?

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Velociraptorius t1_j1qpudz wrote

Yeah and it's not like this invasion came out of nowhere. Hello, Russia has been trying to reclaim former territories of the USSR piece by piece since its collapse. Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea. All these russian invasions the world looked past. The Ukrainian invasion may have been bigger, but if the Ukrainians hadn't shown the incredible backbone and competence at repelling the invasion and actually got large parts of their country occupied with no chance of taking it back, I guarantee that five to ten years later the world would have looked upon this situation with the same apathy they ascribe to those previous invasions. There is, infuriatingly, STILL opinions present that Ukraine should allow Russia to keep parts of its territory in exchange for peace. Some people never change.

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atomicxblue t1_j1rl3dg wrote

I don't see Ukraine willing to give away any more of its land. Russia wants to control the country, but as we've seen, they would never be able to take the whole thing by force. They have to come take out bites every so often.

Zelenskyy knows full well that he could get them to back off by giving up a large percentage of his territory, but he also knows that if he does, there's not much to stop Russia from coming back for more later. This is why he's pushed for his country to be whole again.

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Velociraptorius t1_j1rpxe3 wrote

I know that very well. Hopefully the Western leaders will too. But they should have learned that lesson with Crimea.

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Visual_Bathroom_6917 t1_j1sf9d1 wrote

Wasn't Bush praised everywhere lately (for basically not being Trump)? Wasn't he responsible for 500.000 deaths lying about WMD? In 10 years nobody will give a fuck

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RepulsiveVoid t1_j1q5a03 wrote

This seems to be a larger issue in countries with FPTP voting, but you do have an unfortunately accurate point.

I don't understand why ppl don't look at what the parties did when they were in power when new elections are held.

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crlcan81 t1_j1qyac1 wrote

Honestly I don't get why someone hasn't assassinated Putin already.

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RepulsiveVoid t1_j1rbbw6 wrote

He still hasn't upset/lost enough of his key supporters. Some of them might already be ready to get rid of him, but not enough of them.

And thus he still has enough security that a simple assasination plot by f.ex. Ukraine is incredibly hard to pull off.

Check out this CGP Grey - Rules for Rules vid for a more in depth explanation.

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Derbre t1_j1q2f4j wrote

I dont agree. There are several populist parties that gratefully use russias messages to strengthen their support in the population and have success with this. For example the AFD (a far right German Party) now is supported by 15% of the Germans. Before they were around 10%.

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kraenk12 t1_j1r1jig wrote

That’s not true.

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Derbre t1_j1r7k6u wrote

No? Please elaborate.

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kraenk12 t1_j1r9htl wrote

AfD is currently losing on a weekly basis with 13.8% currently. Prices have come down that’s all it took.

https://dawum.de/Bundestag/

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Derbre t1_j1rg0j4 wrote

So we are talking about 1%point deviation. Sorry, my dude. This is ridiculous.

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ChevaucheurReveur t1_j1rk4ag wrote

Just curious, i'm not a specialist : isn't the right wording 1 point instead of 1% point ?

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Derbre t1_j1rmndm wrote

Not sure, but you may be right. I am not a native speaker. In my language it is percentage points.

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RepulsiveVoid t1_j1q4s62 wrote

I guess the view is different when you live right next to Russia vs having a couple of countries as bufferzones.

"Ryssä on Ryssä, vaikka sen voissa paistaisi"

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TXTCLA55 t1_j1qa3t8 wrote

It's a rather amusing cycle... They make threats, and when those go unanswered they propose talks, maybe gas, and when thats ignored it's back to threats. This is the Russian playbook lol.

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Velociraptorius t1_j1qqwqv wrote

It must frustrate them to no end when neither of these cards they used to successfully play work, and they check their playbook only to find that they have nothing else to play.

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Gyftycf t1_j1qmwu6 wrote

Fuck em. I bought all European families I know blankets this year for Christmas. Russia can keep their literally bloody oil.

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Independent_Pear_429 t1_j1pjrv7 wrote

Jeez they must be desperate now. What's the EUs response?

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anna_pescova t1_j1pmg6p wrote

The EU consumption of natural gas has dropped by 20.1% in the period August-November 2022, compared with the average gas consumption for the same months (August-November) between 2017 and 2021. The demand is not currently there but remains to be see what the Russian discount price will be. I Imaging Europe has little appetite for Russian Gas though at any price.

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Independent_Pear_429 t1_j1pucq8 wrote

I'd just dress warmer and use some electric heaters

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kallerdis t1_j1pxpa2 wrote

you know that most of the peak electricity is generated by natural gas?

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Ok_Goat8830 t1_j1qnsej wrote

still i would argue that running a single electric blanket is more efficient than warming a whole room, apartment or even house

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cinematic_novel t1_j1s1fl9 wrote

Yes, but the problem is that you still need to move around the house. You can't just hide ina warm corner all the time. Dampness is likely to build up without heating and ventilation, which will go into the lungs along with cold air. I do use a (non-electric) onesie sometimes to keep the heating off and it works great, but it doesn't substitute heating.

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RheagarTargaryen t1_j1ra0w5 wrote

You’d still have to heat your house to avoid the pipes from bursting.

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KiwasiGames t1_j1t0jed wrote

Or just lag the pipes. Same principal as the electric blanket. Use a little bit of heat in the important places, no need to heat everything.

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CrassTick t1_j1tq4vq wrote

But you can keep the temperature down and save significant amounts of gas.

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Jonsj t1_j1sfixu wrote

Is it? I know that it's priced based on on the most expensive part of the power generation chain, so gass is one of the most expensive way to generate kWh in most markets.

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anna_pescova t1_j1q3zn9 wrote

It's more to do with industry and it's use of LNG than individual citizens...

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AlbinoWino11 t1_j1s3nlv wrote

This is probably more about industrial use than residential.

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ICEpear8472 t1_j1rl8qm wrote

There are also new long term contracts with other suppliers. Even if Europe wants to buy Russian gas again it will not be as much as in the past. At least not for quite a while. Gas usage has gone down and a lot of the old Russian market share has been substituted by other suppliers on the long term. Something which can due to the contracts not just be undone.

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CommonMan15 t1_j1seogl wrote

Also gas prices dropped some 40% on a few days as the market realised the reservoirs were indeed full.

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Fruloops t1_j1prnmm wrote

Do not underestimate corrupt politicians and the masses that follow their promises.

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lebup t1_j1s5bkt wrote

Dropped heating to 19

Thats it.

Were fine , nato is fine, , we dont need their gas

Unless they wanna sell it cheap.

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atomicxblue t1_j1rkjjt wrote

From a news story last week on BBC World Service, many countries in Europe have already stockpiled the fuel their countries need to make it through the winter. The reporter did point out that if the last part of winter turns out to be exceptionally cold, they'll go through the reserves faster and cause a strain on oil prices by the time they need to restock next winter.

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Vyrosatwork t1_j1pyu5p wrote

What I see: a crack dealer who was withholding supply expecting their customers to bend over backwards begging to get it back, is now panicking because instead their customer is getting clean.

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kehaarcab t1_j1pknsx wrote

And the right answer is : please don’t bother. We want to stop using fossil fuels.

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sarhatabaot t1_j1pqftr wrote

That's the wrong answer! Europe is already feeling the energy crisis. Do you want to doom ordinary people who just want to heat up their homes? Look at Germany! Buying up coal heaters and coal..

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Quirky-Country7251 t1_j1pr8w4 wrote

If you are worried about people who can’t heat their homes I’d worry about Texas before Germany.

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Jebrowsejuste t1_j1pudmp wrote

Millions of ordinary Ukrainians will suffer much, much more than a bit of cold if we start buying Russian gas/oil en mass again.

If my choice is between cold extremities and dead or oppressed Ukrainians, I'm going to just chuck on gloves and more socks.

Ending the war just so it can end now will do Jack shit, because it will start again in a few years when Putin has refilled his ammo stores and his barracks, and then more people will die, be tortured and get raped.

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Allemaengel t1_j1pwhnt wrote

War ends when Russia gets interested in ending it by getting out of all of Ukraine including Crimea and Donbas along with returning all Ukrainians taken to Russia.

It's as simple as that.

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Allemaengel t1_j1pxqj1 wrote

Yeah well, a lot hasn't gone exactly to plan the way Russia originally thought already so we shall see.

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gbgonzalez923 t1_j1qobou wrote

They're literally on the verge of cutting off the land bridge to Crimea. Thats the last hurdle. Once that gets completed, the liberation of Crimea is inevitable.

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Freekmagnet t1_j1q2aa4 wrote

A small sacrifice to pay for watching Ukraine destroy Russia's military and ability to threaten the rest of Europe. Find other ways to keep warm for a couple of months, in return for not having to worry about being invaded? Seems like a pretty good deal.

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Cephei101 t1_j1prz8u wrote

Either apply.

ser·vile /ˈsərv(ə)l,ˈsərˌvīl/ adjective

  1. having or showing an excessive willingness to serve or please others. "he bowed his head in a servile manner"

  2. of or characteristic of a slave or slaves. "the servile condition of the peasants"

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Main-Yoghurt5127 t1_j1qhyh5 wrote

Yes! Great idea to keep on being dependent on fossil fuels from Russia instead of using the momentum to switch to greener AND independent energy! Genius! /s

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AmeriToast t1_j1pr7sf wrote

Russia's economy must be really hurting. They couldn't peddle enough of their oil to India and China to make up for the loss from EU countries and they are now hoping the EU will let them back in lol.

This is good news for the war front, who knows how much longer Russia can keep this up. Add this to the news that Russia is willing to negotiate and Putin is in trouble.

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Gizshot t1_j1pw43y wrote

Considering India and China basically get to set their price because there isn't anybody else to buy it they're desperate.

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Freekmagnet t1_j1q1w0b wrote

> Add this to the news that Russia is willing to negotiate

"Russia is willing to negotiate" only if they get to keep half of Ukraine and make the rest a puppet state of Russia. That is their inalienable starting point. A serious starting point for negotiations would be to first remove all Russian military from the entire country of Ukraine, including Crimea; then they can start to negotiate over war reparations and prosecution of war criminals.

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AmeriToast t1_j1q6bdj wrote

If Russia was not in such a bad state, negotiating would not be on the table.

A common negotiation tactic is to ask for everything you want and to negotiate it down from there. Doesn't mean they will get anything. Also, just because Russia is willing to negotiate doesn't mean Ukraine will at the moment.

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KiwasiGames t1_j1t13jk wrote

Ukraine doesn’t really matter in the negotiations. If the west stops providing Ukraine weapons and ends sanctions on Russia, Russia will win (eventually).

Now this is not going to happen. But it’s worth keeping straight who has the power in these plays.

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Chiliconkarma t1_j1q44hl wrote

They press the buttons they have. It's in part an effort to generate headlines.

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NotAnUncle t1_j1rltq1 wrote

As much as this is discussed, India really was lagging behind china and Europe, and in this situation, both India and China set the terms, so that's definitely not favourable for Russia, so I can see this move being a way to win Europe's favour in some way, obviously it doesn't look like it's gonna work out for them.

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jobager75 t1_j1pt9nq wrote

Trade with Russia? Yes. Trade with Putins Russia? Nope.

Get rid of this mass murderer, don‘t replace him with an other insane guy and we could be partners again.

Otherwise, get the fuck lost.

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Xaxxon t1_j1s5ygb wrote

Russia isn’t great at not picking bad leaders. They tried for a couple decades but then said “nah”

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prtysmasher t1_j1pw72q wrote

Of course they’re “ready”. Those clowns are hilarious.

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pixelastronaut t1_j1pkc2k wrote

Are they ready to stop killing Ukrainians? No? Yes? Doesn’t matter anymore, Europe doesn’t actually need it. Take their gas pipeline and shove it

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DocBrutus t1_j1pvfmz wrote

Looks like someone is broke. How about pull out of Ukraine and Europe will think about it.

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Mirathecat22 t1_j1plobk wrote

You can be ready, doesn’t mean we care tho

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Crimson_Heitfire t1_j1phiri wrote

Question where tf is yamal

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GabuEx t1_j1pl7xt wrote

Just look at one. If you've seen one, you've seen Yamal.

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HollowPluto t1_j1phr2g wrote

Yamal is probably closing soon. Doesn’t get a lot of business anymore.

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WolfDoc t1_j1pk1yc wrote

Large western siberian peninsula, easily locatable on Google maps

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SwiftSnips t1_j1pv4tt wrote

Headlines like this do more harm than good (Russias intent)... because so many will read it with little context and say "Well then lets do it! If they want to be friends again!"

Youd think by now people would understand not to take things at face value alone, and to always be skeptical of everything.

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Chiliconkarma t1_j1q4bgi wrote

Who reads this article without understanding that Russia must end the war first?

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laarson t1_j1pknad wrote

Its super mild here what do you need gas for?

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11OldSoul11 t1_j1pi1kb wrote

is there any fact supporting, that it's even necessary to import gas from ruZZia?

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quirkyhermit t1_j1pjl21 wrote

Is this a joke? This has to be a joke.

No, it's not necessary. Unless you want affordable energy prices. For decades we made ourselves increasingly dependent on russian energy. It will take time and sacrifice from all of us to change that. One consequence is that people will have trouble warming up their homes in winter. So no, it's not necessary if you're okay with the fact that the poor WILL struggle and some will die.

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acox199318 t1_j1pov3g wrote

My understanding is Europe already has enough gas stored for this winter.

Plus Germany is now getting its gas by sea.

By next winter Canada will be producing enough for Europe to factor Russia out.

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quirkyhermit t1_j1pxhhh wrote

Because of enormous amount of effort in a really short time. It's literally cost billions. And we all know we should have done it years ago with how dangerous and volatile russia is, but we didn't and it's costing countries and families. It's a price most of us are willing to pay, amd we understand the absolute necessity, but to say things are no problem is a lie.

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acox199318 t1_j1qy7uj wrote

I’m really impressed with how quickly Germany has moved!

The wait now is mostly Canada getting its supply up!

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11OldSoul11 t1_j1pjw16 wrote

i'm asking for facts, not speculation.

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WolfDoc t1_j1pk41r wrote

You don't seem to know what facts are, as you just got some

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quirkyhermit t1_j1plrod wrote

Jfc do you not have google? Russia has about 14% of the world's gas supply. That's an insane amount. Look at the size and placement of russia on a map and you'll se why they have these resources. It would take you 5 minutes to google. The reason we didn't start off with numbers is that we expect people to have this basic knowledge. Even my 13 year old knows this.

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thinks1ow t1_j1pk37r wrote

Unfortunately you got facts my guy, it’s not as simple as Europe turning off the switch unfortunately. Fuck Putin

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Niosus t1_j1pl7zy wrote

It's not as easy as turning a switch, but it's not like Russia is the only gas exporter in the world. Prices went crazy because there was a sudden shift in supply. It takes time to shift to different suppliers. As things stabilize, you'll see prices normalize again.

They won't ever go as low as the Russian prices, because those had a hidden cost. But even now the gas prices are already much more reasonable. The poor will need some support, but in general it's looking like most people will be just fine.

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thinks1ow t1_j1plrd3 wrote

Also prices “went crazy” because gas companies saw an opportunity to hike prices to make record profits, let’s not lie to ourselves. Their balance sheets are public knowledge, it’s not even a conspiracy

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11OldSoul11 t1_j1pm9ln wrote

thanks, that was were I was going with my question. Right now the prices are pre-war and they were artificially high caused by panic and the gas companies exploring this very quickly and people running along with it.

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thinks1ow t1_j1pmbxv wrote

Yup, unfortunately you are dead on here

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thinks1ow t1_j1plcxz wrote

The ability to export gas does take significant infrastructure though which not only takes money but a lot of time to physically build. This is one of the larger choke holds on the situation from my understanding

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Niosus t1_j1r9d85 wrote

Yes there is a need for more plants that can take LNG and turn it back to gas. There isn't nearly enough capacity for that yet. But there has been significant progress already in Germany, where it is needed most. These plants are usually slow to build because of bureaucratic issues and a lack of urgency. However when there is a strong need to get capacity up and running quickly, you'd be surprised how quickly those plants can be up and running. Next winter might not yet see many of those being operational, but by the winter after that they absolutely will be. Combined with the already 20% reduction in gas usage in Europe on such short notice, I'm not particularly worried. Nothing breeds efficiency like necessity.

Mind you I'm from a country that was bombed to rubble by both the Nazis and the Allies back in WW2. People are more resilient than they think. If my grandparents could live through that 80 years ago and the Ukrainians can do it now... I'll be just fine doubling up on blankets. We're still the lucky ones in this whole ordeal...

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thinks1ow t1_j1plivi wrote

We are seeing improvements in LNG technology however which could potentially provide some alleviation but it’s still not on the scale to support the majority of Europe

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thinks1ow t1_j1pknvx wrote

This is the truth, people are being forced to make a horrible sacrifice nobody should have to make. Make no mistake this is putin’s war and these are what he knows to be the side effects. Slava Ukraini

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ant0szek t1_j1po8j6 wrote

Yeeee... no thanks we don't need it any more.

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datareclassification t1_j1pph38 wrote

Russia: "we-we're resuming gas exports to the west.. ple-plwease buy. I need money for the wa- I-I mean special miwitawry operation in Ukraine"

The west: "sure, if you can... PAY US! " insert non-coherent laughter here

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Jebrowsejuste t1_j1pumlz wrote

Somehow, you found a way to make importing Russian gas palatable : making them pay us.

Good job, have an upvote.

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chicagofan9737 t1_j1q09ez wrote

I didn’t realize Europe asked for any

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Lager89 t1_j1q8ykt wrote

Yeah after their propaganda tv commercial of Europe without power, they can get bent.

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EdenG2 t1_j1q3l0v wrote

Oil gas Wells cannot be turned off and on. Russia must be running out of storage.

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Harmful_fox_71 t1_j1r5t6h wrote

Oh fine... Even if Europe suddenly agrees, then give it three months and it will again be "Russia threatens to cut off gas if Europe does not stop supplying weapons to Ukraine." Obviously, until the conflict in Ukraine is resolved, Russia will use gas and oil supplies as an influence on Europe. And even if we remove the fact of the war in Ukraine, this is still a serious problem for Europe, which, regardless of the situation, is better to solve sooner rather than later....

Personally ME ready to pay big bills if it will help Europe get rid of the influence of another tyrant with a nuclear club....

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Pale-Dot-3868 t1_j1rcxg4 wrote

Europe shouldn’t take this bait. Keep on becoming independent from Russian energy. Build those LNG terminals like Germany.

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External-Ad-9939 t1_j1rgs6q wrote

Youve lost every gram of respectability putin in a civilised world from which you are isolating in a downward spiral.stick your gas up your bottom for all the civilised world cares you children of the universe killer-old frail persons terrorizor!....heres a tip-just drop the war machine tactic-just stop it all ,drop it n leave it be for russias peoples future 2 rejoin the civilised world

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kpauburn t1_j1rl3dj wrote

translation : Putin needs money

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Candox t1_j1u6uen wrote

Fuck their nazi gas, we will make do without it

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guccilemonadestand t1_j1pwwrg wrote

Will they pull their shitty ads they’re running too?

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AnarchoSpoon789 t1_j1q8aqo wrote

nah fuck that, we don't want your gas putin

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Salt-Mail51 t1_j1qmx2y wrote

Under no circumstances must the free world consume Putin gas, until Putin and his regime leaves Russia.

The West must now turn to Venezuela for its gas and oil supplies, the biggest or second biggest oil reserves in the world.

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cnncctv t1_j1qof34 wrote

Europe is getting natural gas from Norway mainly.

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Salt-Mail51 t1_j1qp47h wrote

Mainly and the UK has a direct gas pipeline from Iceland but this is not enough to fulfil Europe needs for gas.

I thought the collective minds of the EU would have struck a deal with Venezuela, instead the US has got in there first.

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Xrim- t1_j1qoepb wrote

We don't want it!

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TheBobInSonoma t1_j1s6k4t wrote

That's nice. But mostly that's funny.

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skaag t1_j1se3d5 wrote

We are not interested in their gas. They can keep it. We will make our own! (Proceeding to open a can of beans...).

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Dazug t1_j1spyr8 wrote

no

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notsonice333 t1_j1syahb wrote

They are ready to sell but nobody needs to buy from them anymore. They have had all year to prepare for winter without needing them. Bluffed your hand and they got called.

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Slartibartfast39 t1_j1ph0mr wrote

I think take what we need without breaching any sanctions and keep building up a diverse base so we're not dependent on Russia if and when they decide to cut it off again.

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Independent_Pear_429 t1_j1pjqfx wrote

Nah. Fuck Russia. They can take their gas and shove it up their arse

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Rapiz t1_j1ph2tz wrote

This would fuel their war.

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Slartibartfast39 t1_j1phez2 wrote

I understand we're (Europe) aren't in a great position to cut this off at will as we're too dependent on the supply. If I have it right it's not just about switching to a more expensive supply but actually not having the supply to meet demand which could harm us more than Russia.

I freely admit I've not looked into this exhaustively mainly laziness and the fact I've got not influence about what happens here until and election comes up at which point I'll be looking at the various situations that batter to me.

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_juan_carlos_ t1_j1pphkq wrote

Russia is truly utterly desperate to say this and in top of that send their miserable propagandist to push here such idiotic arguments.

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