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Ok_Yogurtcloset8915 t1_iug8zhb wrote

I don't want this to be construed as support for Iran in any way, but isn't this a pretty severe contortion of the definition of terrorist? they're a branch of the government, the actions they take against the people don't really count as terrorism when they already have power.

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MonHedAna t1_iugo48d wrote

They have a long history of literally training terrorists.

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Ok_Yogurtcloset8915 t1_iuguihb wrote

so they're not terrorists then? they train them... if everyone who supported terrorists was also classified as a terrorist then you'd have to call the CIA and MI6 terrorists too for supporting the mujahideen in Afghanistan. it's too broad of a brush.

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tabernumse t1_iuh233b wrote

Exactly. The U.S. literally trained Osama Bin Laden and basically created the taliban lol

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Ok_Yogurtcloset8915 t1_iuh3y3h wrote

i actually think you could make pretty solid cases for many intelligence agencies being terrorists, I just don't think that supporting terrorist groups is the reason why

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EqualContact t1_iui6723 wrote

The US never trained OBL, and the Taliban didn’t exist until the US stopped funding the mujahideen. Some future members of the Taliban received support from Pakistani ISI through US assistance, but the US did not directly fund anyone in Afghanistan during that period.

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MonHedAna t1_iujqaqk wrote

The US never trained Osama and other groups to target and kill civilians. The goal was to kill the Soviets, who were invading Afghanistan at the time. If you don’t see, that is different than Hamas, and Hezbollah killing civilians on purpose for political goals then you are being intentionally dishonest.

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MonHedAna t1_iujq0kf wrote

If you fund & train groups on how to attack and kill civilians to achieve a political goal then yeah they are. Iran guards do that with both Hamas and Hezbulla.

There is obviously a difference between supporting a side in the Civil War and training groups to attack civilians on purpose. It’s fucking ludicrous you pretend those are the same. Fuck these people and anyone who targets civilians for political purpose like Hamas and Hezbollah.

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helix_ice t1_iugwcbp wrote

So do most of the world powers, including the US.

Do I think IRGC is a terrorist group? They certainly commit terroristic actions. Should they be labeled as such? Depends on the consequences.

Labeling an entire section of a governmental organization as a terrorist group is extremely problematic.

Throwing around the terrorist label in this way can and will have unintended consequences.

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DonDove t1_iuhhurd wrote

Don't forget the coups around the world. The US is very guilty of that.

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MelaatsenVerplaatser t1_iuh5vgu wrote

So does the EU

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MonHedAna t1_iujpp7s wrote

What group did the EU establish, fund, & train to carry out terror attacks on civilians? I’m legitimately curious

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DonDove t1_iuhhstn wrote

I mean look at the Russians and the drones just a few weeks ago

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Zizbouze t1_iugwtcq wrote

I agree with you it's ridiculous how word's definition are getting so fluid and lose the essence of what they meant.

Terrorist is more particular cause it's been "fluid" cause it's change depending on the point of view. A Resistant for one would be the Terrorist of another one.

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misoramensenpai t1_iuhipjw wrote

Huh, I wonder if the word terrorist has ever had its definition changed before? Like if the original meaning was state repression, for example, but later changed because it suited political aims of the time?

Words are just politics. They don't really mean anything, I'm afraid. Literally 1984

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Ffusu t1_iuhbb9v wrote

That’s the thing, the word has lost its actual meaning already. Everyone is / supports terrorists. Just matter of taking side and tribalism in the end. This sort of claim is simply meant now to show what terrorism EU openly disprove and what EU silently approve.

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omega3111 t1_iui3y8u wrote

> the actions they take against the people

I don't think you know what the IRGC is. When you say "the people" I assume you mean those of Iran, but the IRGC is an international body. They oversee their proxies in the ME, like Hezbollah, and are responsible for the Shia militias in Iraq and Syria as well. They have a strong presence in Syria (which Israel is bombing), including creating and launching drones. Their main business is exporting terrorism, so the designation is not only apt, it's only decades late.

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