Badpancakes t1_iu3cpev wrote
Reply to comment by Vannilazero in (Canada) House of Commons unanimously agrees to describe residential schools as genocide by EdithDich
In short the Catholic Church and Canadian government stole indigenous children and put them in “schools” to strip them of their culture and language. These schools were filled with abuse, rape, and murder of the children.
Recently they started finding all the unmarked graves, and I think the total so far is around 1700 children found.
The last residential school was closed in 1996, and only in the last 10 or so years has it started being taught in public schools.
Vannilazero t1_iu3cub4 wrote
Jesus Christ yeah that’s genocide
KatsumotoKurier t1_iu3r9wf wrote
So I really, really don’t want to be that guy, but it’s important to discuss that the numbers are still pretty uncertain. See this comment from a few months ago, for example, which highlights some of the issues.
Furthermore, the unmarked graves are not so much unmarked graves as they are graveyards which used to have markings but which now no longer do. These sites were well known to their respective local communities before the enormous news and headline eruptions of the last year. Part of the reason many of these are unmarked today is because out in the prairies especially, headstones were historically very expensive and difficult to acquire. Wooden crosses were erected for the dead — a practice that was still common out that way until around the 1960s, I believe, for virtually everyone. So basically all of the graves were actually marked in the past, and the crosses removed after they deteriorated. Nothing out of the norm for old graveyards. Cadmus Delorme, Chief of the Cowessess First Nation, has even publicly asked people to stop calling these “mass graves” because they simply aren’t what those words imply, but rather just regular graveyards, albeit unmarked.
Speaking of virtually everyone — one of the major problems I personally have had with all this news is that many of the news sites/stations even misreported these as mass graves. Mass grave implies mass murder, and bodies being callously dumped into a hole in the ground. This is not the case for a single one of these sites, and furthermore, many of them are/were normal community graveyards used by peoples of both white settler and indigenous extraction, adults and children alike. Furthermore, to date insofar as I am aware, not a single body has been confirmed as a specifically indigenous child, partly because exhumations have not been made, and because the ground penetrating radar can often even misread tree roots in a similar way to human bodies. And those numbers are the graveyard totals, many of which may very well be of deceased white people who were local to those community graveyards.
Was residential schooling wrong? Absolutely, yes. Were its intentions wrong and did they pursue a policy of intentional cultural genocide? Once again, absolutely yes. But do we know everything clearly enough to determine how many children died? Actually unfortunately no, we do not know that. Hopefully that can be conclusively determined in the future, but for now, there is actually and sadly a shocking amount of misinformation out there revolving around this issue. And there are still other things out there surrounding the issue which need to be further investigated too.
Caligullama t1_iu4huvv wrote
Don’t apologize. Definitely be that guy or else you have disingenuous users like /u badpancakes spreading bs and people taking it as unequivocal fact.
ImpressiveGrass3206 t1_iu3o50p wrote
I’ve met few survivors and I’ll tell you many of the First Nation people think their life is worthless.. one guy I met said his family had like wine cellar hidden under rug and when ever the RCMP (federal police) would show up with members of the Catholic Church they would round up children and take them away and his family hide all the older kids and gave him up and was abused physically and mentally. He cries in his sleep and it the most heartbreaking thing.
Stuvivor t1_iu4b1u8 wrote
A residential school survivor spoke at my school around 2010. She said, when she tried speaking her Indigenous language, they hammered a nail through her tongue, so now, when she speaks her language, she feels her tongue tingle from the memory.
Redbanabandana t1_iu4pizd wrote
Most deaths happened before the 1950's and were because of typhoid fever and turberculosis outbreaks and fires.
Strykker2 t1_iu5p8o3 wrote
I will correct you on the years taught thing, since I was taught about them in the early-mid 2000s, but yes it has not been very long. and really going from 10 years to about 15 isn't a very good look either.
Badpancakes t1_iu5pgpf wrote
I’ve noticed that it varies from school district to school district. I graduated in 2008 and it wasn’t even mentioned, but I see some people were taught. I think it was made mandatory across Canada in the last decade or so though
Strykker2 t1_iu5pre2 wrote
yeah thats probably the case, it was covered in my early grade 5-7 history classes around 2005 or so.
spirit-mush t1_iu4zyyj wrote
Not just the Roman Catholic Church but also the United, Anglican, Presbyterian, and Methodist Churches participated and ran schools. Many Christian denominations are implicated in these atrocities.
xens999 t1_iu4sw75 wrote
Rhannmah t1_iu66cee wrote
This read is interesting, but
>Moreover, how can one think that entire groups of religious men and women dedicated to high moral standards could conspire to commit such sordid crimes without dissent and not even a single whistleblower?
That sentence takes the cake of the many dubious biases the writer clearly has.
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