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0comment t1_j1x8ohg wrote

They’re right. Climate change will bring an influx of people from the NY and MA. It’s already happening.

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Bradcopter t1_j1xbqbo wrote

And from further south. Vermont is kind of an ideal place as climate change screws up other parts of the country, especially when it comes to fresh water.

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headgasketidiot t1_j1z2zga wrote

It is not happening at any real scale. Even the pandemic's migration that vt digger called an "explosion" (in my opinion, irresponsibly so) was only a .7% population increase. That is absolutely tiny. Before that, we were seeing a net migration out of the state.

That's not to say it won't happen, but Vermonters talk a lot about the influx of "out-of-staters" moving here anytime housing comes up. Everyone has a story about the house their buddy wanted to buy but some out of stater bought it in all cash sight unseen. Those are investors, not people moving here. It is exceedingly rare for regular families to buy houses in cash sight-unseen.

Investors are buying more than 20% of all SFH on the market. This is an international phenomenon, affecting people from huge cities like London and Vancouver to the towns our delightful little backwater. As wealth inequality reaches increasingly insane levels, large investment firms are looking for more places to deploy their ever-increasing capital, and they are moving more and more of their money into buying property, making housing increasingly unaffordable for regular people.

This is a rent trap. Younger generations are being forced to become lifelong renters, creating a generation of lucrative investments for the largest landlords and screwing over everyone else. When we talk about the influx of out-of-staters, it suits them. It diverts the attention from the real problem. Don't let the rich get away with it while we squabble amongst ourselves fighting over scraps.

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TheTowerBard t1_j1zsijf wrote

I'm 41 and "real Vermonters" have been loudly complaining about "flatlanders" and out of staters for as long as I can remember. Meanwhile those people keep coming here and boosting the economy these wood-boogers barely partake in. It's embarrassing at this point. If Fox News was based in VT there would constant coverage of caravans coming from Massachusetts.

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headgasketidiot t1_j1zwbwd wrote

It's depressing how quick we are to blame people on the other side of an imaginary line for our problems, even when those people are virtually indistinguishable from us. It really puts into perspective how easy it must be to do if the line is a militarized border and the people on the other side speak a different language.

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TheTowerBard t1_j202oso wrote

Amen. I grew up in VT and I've been told I'm not a "real Vermonter" more times than I can count. I think maybe I'm not wearing enough camo or something, idk.

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CozyCabinsVermont t1_j1zwg47 wrote

I had a cashier at a thrift store berate me a couple of weeks ago. I had made a comment about something I had found and how awesome it was to find such a thing because I was in a Vermont thrift store, and he lost it on me. From my understanding, my job had no in-state applicants. Only out-of-state. Also, last time I checked, it’s a free country, and I can live anywhere I want in it. I’m sorry housing is expensive, but it’s expensive for just about all of us located literally anywhere in the United States.

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TheTowerBard t1_j204kkl wrote

It's also just incredibly insane because I can't imagine where VT would be without people from out of state bringing their money here and spending it. It's just such an ignorant way of thinking.

I grew in VT but spent my 20s and early 30s living all over the country. Anytime I came back to visit with OOS plates I'd get shit from some idiot at least once.

Hell, one time my mom who raised me here came back to visit after moving to CA for work (she lives here again now). She drove across country and the day after she got here we decided to go to lunch at Long Trail. I missed a turn on the way there and turned around in someone's driveway. There was a group of 20 something guys standing out front of the house. I smiled and gave a wave as I turned around, only my front tires breaking the plane of their driveway. One guy sort of waved and started walking towards us. He then came up to the car and said if he saw me and my CA plates use his driveway to turn around again he'd drag me from the car and "beat the ever loving piss out of" me. Dude thought he was being tough to some folks from CA but he was simply threating fellow Vermonters...

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endeavour3d t1_j1xxkfw wrote

They will come from everywhere, what's going to happen is as the climate continues to break down, southern and midwestern/western states are going to become more uninhabitable due to climate induced events, so people are going to start showing up more and more to our area of the country. Whether they have houses or jobs to come to won't matter, people will show up regardless, and they'll live in their cars, tents, or shacks to do it, just like desperate migrants have for all of human history.

Politicians here, like most places, don't seem to understand this reality, Scott especially is incredibly stupid when it comes to this future, but there's a good chance he'll still be office as people start to show up on his doorstep, maybe then he'll actually do something about housing and climate resiliency.

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cpujockey t1_j1z1qy8 wrote

> states are going to become more uninhabitable due to climate induced events

cant wait to see that play out. the earth shall take back what is rightfully theirs.

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b1ack1323 t1_j1xlxfj wrote

That was Covid allowing people to be remote… why would people make such a small migration for climate change?

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0comment t1_j1xxx0m wrote

Because moving to Canada is too much of a hassle and the salaries there are too low, while their cost of living is nearly as high as NYC.

Vermont is the place in the US that will suffer the least from climate change.

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EscapedAlcatraz t1_j1yu8zo wrote

And moving from Massachusetts to Vermont will make a big difference in climate? This makes little sense.

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magicmonkey1320 t1_j1yzazs wrote

The climate in Massachusetts is actually very different then the one in Vermont

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wittgensteins-boat t1_j1z11ih wrote

Altitude makes a difference.

Most of Massachusetts population is near the coast, less than 100 feet in altitude, and warmed or moderated by water.

Vermont average altitude is 1000 feet.

Even when we assume people in Vermont are in valleys, at 500 feet, that makes a difference. Plus no sea weather moderation.

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0comment t1_j20qhx1 wrote

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EscapedAlcatraz t1_j217azv wrote

The notion that someone would uproot their life, become a climate refugee and move 171 miles away seems far fetched.

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0comment t1_j217onq wrote

I think the other comments already made the case on how climate drastically changes based on geographically features. Just because the coast isn’t too far away, it doesn’t mean that the weather isn’t drastically different.

Moving 171 miles away in the same country, isn’t exactly uprooting your life either

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halfbakedblake t1_j1z62rv wrote

The comments below were similar to what I was going to say. Except we are land locked. Didn't see that comment.

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Tension-Cautious t1_j1ypcug wrote

Why would people move such a small distance to avoid climate change?

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Necessary_Cat_4801 t1_j20e87a wrote

Anyone who thinks they can "avoid climate change" is already fooling themselves. And the idea that VT is immune is silly. We had a freaking rainbow and a storm that knocked out power for thousands of people LAST WEEK.

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kerosene_pickle t1_j1ywudz wrote

Cause they’re dumb virtue signalers. Any country south of the US will get hit exponentially worse. An American climate refugee is a joke

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TheTowerBard t1_j1zsx7s wrote

This is the most hilariously ignorant thing I've read this week. Bravo.

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Necessary_Cat_4801 t1_j20dxee wrote

Yeah, don't forget Jersey. Because rich white people from Jersey are climate "refugees", not the people from places like India and Pakistan where it's 120 degrees.

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TheTowerBard t1_j1zrknm wrote

Of course they're right. It's easy to predict something that has been happening for 40 years... or maybe more? I just know every wood-booger in the state has been complaining very loudly of this for my entire life.

The real change here is that people are/will be coming from farther away, not just our neighbors. Climate migration is already happening and VT is forecast to be one of the safest areas as we further destroy the rest of our planet. Buckle up folks, we have a lot of new neighbors on their way in the next decade. Let's welcome them.

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0comment t1_j1xdqam wrote

Waiting? Lol Climate change has been hitting everyone hard for at least 5 years now.

It’s not just Vermont. I would bet most northern states will see migration in the next decade

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CHECK_FLOKI t1_j1xdxdt wrote

Don't preach to me about climate change. I ski, I ice fish and hockey is my favorite sport.

We know that climate change is a threat. What I'm asking is why are Vermont legislators waiting on an inevitable catastrophe to deal with the immediate problem of a housing crisis affecting Vermonters now??

This is insane.

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bonanzapineapple t1_j1xirvu wrote

Good question. Answer is probably cuz they are mostly rich and/or old who own their homes and plan to stay in them so aren't impacted too much by property values/costs/availability

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Bradcopter t1_j1xiumi wrote

This isn't just Vermont legislators, it's all legislators. Dealing with climate change means less profits for corporations, can't have that.

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0comment t1_j1xe165 wrote

Sadly, your state politicians are no different from mine.

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cpujockey t1_j1z1vr6 wrote

> why are Vermont legislators waiting on an inevitable catastrophe to deal with the immediate problem of a housing crisis affecting Vermonters now?

you're new to politics I guess.. It was the same thing even under democratic governorship. we're boned either way.

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Websters_Dick t1_j1zjy5l wrote

Because the capitalist system we live in cannot initiate preventive solutions, because that would directly go against the profit motive. If it's not profitable, it doesn't get done. That means that until it is profitable, it won't get done. And at that time, it will be too late to take action

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5teerPike t1_j1xljhv wrote

Vermont barely has winters like it used to, it's up here too.

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