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Human802 t1_je6i3hs wrote

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The down vote ratio is really interesting.

Do people disagree with this statement?

Do they just not want to acknowledge this is the current reality?

We have to start where we are if we hope to make meaningful reforms. We can’t just regulate guns like cars, or chemical’s because we don’t have a right to access those. Even reinstating the assault weapons ban might not be possible with the current SCOTUS balance.

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cpujockey t1_je6m3kq wrote

> Do they just not want to acknowledge this is the current reality?

The current reality is no matter what laws are in place, there's always some asshole with a lathe and the ability to do their own machining to curtail laws against owning firearms. Additionally, criminals care not what the laws tell them, they'll pay top dollar for the things they want.

Also, I aint giving up my guns because of a bunch of assholes can't be bothered to be decent. I like hunting, I like gun culture, and I like having guns. There are many responsible gun owners out there and they heavily outweigh the terrible fucks that use guns to commit mass murders.

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Human802 t1_je6perp wrote

Ah yes, the why bother having any rules approach.

I assume you also support legalizing all drugs?

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cpujockey t1_je6s1ac wrote

not all of them. safer drugs like mushrooms and cannabis are ok in my book. the addictive potential of opiates is not to be fucked with.

I am just saying - you cannot just expect a law to fix the inherent problems with society.

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Human802 t1_je6vj75 wrote

Yes that is definitely true and no one is claiming that a law will fix everything.

When I think about the effectiveness of a law I think about how many falcons and eagles I see these days. Their populations were decimated by DDT pollution, but when the government banned its use they didn’t end pollution, but they did reduce harm to the ecosystem.

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cpujockey t1_je6w00b wrote

And I will cite the prohibition which started my dad's family in Vermont due to our grand father being caught smuggling liquor from canada and being jailed state side.

I am not saying that laws wont help - but outright banning of firearms is going to piss off more people and cause a lot more problems than regulation. Most responsible gun owners (myself included) are for common sense regulation, psyche evals and all that shit. But outright banning firearms is a slippery slope that will reveal the same fallacies as alcohol prohibition: criminals will most definitely find a way.

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Human802 t1_je7buey wrote

And once again you argue against the strawman. An outright ban is constitutionally prohibited, anyone calling for one shouldn’t be taken very seriously.

Yet that is the framing I see so often in the many failed discussions about gun in our society.

Personally I’d like to see more enforcement of existing laws, and any new laws focused on own accountability. Safe storage laws and biometric identification technology should be considered. The fact that guns kill so many kids, many due to storage failures, is a goddamn disgrace.

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HillRatch t1_je8mqfz wrote

If you like "gun culture" so much, and there are so many responsible gun owners out there, how about you start working on fixing your community and supporting policies that would keep these mass murderous assholes from having guns. Sorry, but "I like them" is not a good enough argument for something killing thousands of people every year.

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