Submitted by hunny_bun_24 t3_11ykh4y in vermont
MarkVII88 t1_jd82106 wrote
People say 4-day work week, and lots of people assume there will be 3-day weekends every week. This just will not be the case. Scheduling has to account for staff overlap and coverage on days when others are not working. This would be doubly true for businesses and jobs that require staffing 7 days/week, especially in the service industry.
And what does a 4-day work week really entail? Are we talking about working 20% fewer hours/week for the same pay? For less pay? Are we talking about working 4 days/week at 10 hours/day for the same pay? I'm sure there are multiple answers, depending on the job.
a_toadstool t1_jd82rrv wrote
People that advocate for it when they have jobs where it’d work. Doesn’t work for the majority of jobs
Corey307 t1_jd8bm3l wrote
This is the problem, most people would be moved to part time and lose 20% of their pay. It works for folks with cushy office jobs that have real downtime and can get “40 hours” done in 32. It doesn’t work for everyone else. Most jobs don’t have real downtime, even when you’re idle you’re waiting to work in uniform.
a_toadstool t1_jd8ie1m wrote
Won’t work for anyone in healthcare, mental health, labor, etc… like you said, only works for office jobs
Corey307 t1_jd8rfae wrote
Exactly, it only benefits people who already have jobs that are not physically demanding and where they’re only spending 40 hours a week at work because that’s what is expected. Trash haulers, cooks, nanny’s, carpenters, security guards, EMT’s, retail staff etc etc. won’t benefit.
a_toadstool t1_jd8s6sx wrote
Plus most VT companies are small and can’t afford to pay 8 less hours with same weekly total. Instead of shortened work weeks we should continue pushing for higher wages
KITTYONFYRE t1_jd8b6bb wrote
> And what does a 4-day work week really entail? Are we talking about working 20% fewer hours/week for the same pay? For less pay?
32 hours of work per week with the same pay is generally what people are going for
you really don't lose even close to 20% productivity. personally when I swapped to 4 day work weeks, it meant I didn't want to drive into a lake for 2-3 work days a week, so I ended up being more productive overall. I don't dread monday as much.
Corey307 t1_jd8qz22 wrote
This is true for some jobs, not most. Pretty much only office jobs can their hours by 20% and maintain similar productivity.
KITTYONFYRE t1_jd8rrjs wrote
maybe not the majority of jobs, but probably the plurality of jobs could cut hours and still remain productive
Corey307 t1_jd8sjwy wrote
Greatly doubt it. Please explain why you think so, I’d be happy to listen.
KITTYONFYRE t1_jd8ty8l wrote
probably a plurality of jobs are office jobs or jobs where reduced hours don't effect productivity. it may not be a majority but it is probably the largest piece of pie.
obviously warehouse workers will load less trucks in 4 days than 5. even then I don't think it's a 20% loss of productivity (there'll be a lot less lazy shit going on), but I don't imagine it could be a positive for productivity like office jobs.
Corey307 t1_jd9h538 wrote
“A lot less lazy shit” said like someone that doesn’t do manual labor, that kills my desire to hear your thoughts since you’re biased. Most jobs aren’t office jobs. Most people will only lose money.
KITTYONFYRE t1_jd9jn4y wrote
I worked in a warehouse for four years lol. That's why I specifically used that example, is because I actually know about it. What do you mean by "biased"? There's a lot of fucking off that happens that would definitely be reduced. Just general standing around and chatting, or not doing the best thing at that moment, trying to sneak off and mess around for a while, etc.
Maybe you've never worked in one, but there's a lot of shenanigans that goes on.
That said, it was awful and the company treated us like dog food, so it's possible in a company that has more respect for its workers, this would be less of the case. I'd also expect mistakes (ie, tipping over pallets and other very time consuming stuff) to happen much less frequently if employees could actually recharge between work weeks. At the end of my stint there, I was one of the most senior guys, and I'd only been there three years. Turnover was very high.
Corey307 t1_jda3amu wrote
So you work in a low volume poorly disciplined warehouse, doubt that’s the norm.
KITTYONFYRE t1_jda8x98 wrote
I don't want to dox myself, but I assure you it was not low volume. Hundreds of employees, millions of dollars a day.
Obviously, you've never worked in a warehouse lol.
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