Submitted by poke133 t3_zyw374 in technology
Pdxlater t1_j28yv5i wrote
Reply to comment by BababooeyHTJ in Tesla Model Y Was Europe's Best-Selling Car Overall In November by poke133
You will find a really negative narrative here, but it’s a really great car. The size is very functional, the tech is great, it’s very comfortable, and range is very high. Tesla still tops the industry in customer satisfaction.
BababooeyHTJ t1_j2981bt wrote
I completely understand that. I’m just surprised that such an expensive car is the top selling car in Europe. There’s something more to it. It’s 3 times the cost of a Prius here in the US. I can’t see the gas and possible service savings ever covering the difference not even including interest payments on the higher valued car.
Pdxlater t1_j29jgkj wrote
People don’t buy it for the cost savings. As much as people harp that Tesla isn’t a “luxury” brand, a big part of its market is taken from customers who would otherwise buy BMW, MB, etc.
BababooeyHTJ t1_j29xtfa wrote
When are any one of those status symbols the top selling cars in any area?
Pdxlater t1_j2a4hon wrote
It is a consolidation effect. The top monthly car in Europe is typically a compact car selling about 15K units. There is just not anything in the Model Y's league in terms of size/price in the market right now. A base Y in Germany is 54K euro. An ID.4 seems to be about 44K, but is significantly smaller. Now that production is fully underway it takes demand from a lot of other classes. That has been part of the sales success in the US. Prior brands of Tesla owners in the US range from Toyota to Mercedes.
BababooeyHTJ t1_j2aacwd wrote
Thank you! That makes a lot of sense.
paintball6818 t1_j2avooa wrote
I mean in Germany you can get like $9000 in incentives and tax savings, and then you go about saving $700 a year in gas, less maintenance and helping the environment.
Alimbiquated t1_j2b1vgd wrote
Also a lot of the cars in Germany are company cars, and there is a price range built in to the contract.
happyscrappy t1_j2b58zw wrote
It's just one car. It has this effect where people who buy an EV are disproportionately likely to buy this one car.
Non-EV crossovers as a whole massively outsell it. Also VW sells more EVs than Tesla does in Europe also, it just is spread across multiple models.
But if you are just looking at which car sold the most it's that one.
It won't last. All the European car companies are targeting Tesla and making gains. Another car (likely from a European make) will take over to become the most sold car in Europe.
AR2185 t1_j29cl66 wrote
When I bought my Tesla Y in early ‘21 it was about double the cost of a Prius. I work in construction management with some very long commutes and the math worked in its favor when I compared gas savings to larger car payments. Added bonus is I can charge at work for free most days as well, but that didn’t factor into my decision to buy because that can always go away. But I think they have more expensive in the time since. Prius is also much smaller, so the closer comparison would be the Rav-4 hybrid
themiracy t1_j29f3qa wrote
I thought that the quality reviews on this particular model were quite poor. Has this stuff gotten a lot better?
poke133 OP t1_j2a9amm wrote
Consumer Reports - 14 Dec 2022 - Tesla and Nissan Make the Most Reliable Electric Vehicles
> The relatively strong reliability of the Model 3 is unique among Tesla’s lineup: Its other models remain below average. Closely related to the Model 3, the newer Model Y has improved in recent years but still shows some suspension issues and body hardware problems associated with closing the hatch, and paint and trim. Owners have reported problems with the air suspension on the higher-end Tesla models.
it seems ModelY still has to catch up to Model3 in overall quality.
themiracy t1_j2aa05k wrote
Ahh, thanks for the point about the 3. I didn't know that it was doing better, that's nice to hear.
Apolitik t1_j2b7gxs wrote
I got a Y in October. A year before I test drove a 2020 Y—it was shit. The Y I got is one of the nicest cars I’ve ever been in. Spartan minimalism aside, the interior is incredibly comfortable and well put together. I’d say they’ve improved the quality a lot, but I also got an Austin built Y where I know the original Fremont built Ys were dogshit.
Pdxlater t1_j29h38t wrote
Initial quality that also includes cosmetic defects can be very different than overall customer satisfaction where Tesla excels.
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