bitfriend6 t1_iya6y2i wrote
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American prison slaves had to actually commit a crime to go to jail, and had to be convicted by a jury and have the ability to appeal. The military did not go door to door separating them from their families and putting them into a forced labor camp because of their religion. Excusing it because they also got to learn how to work a mill, just like the English made the Irish do, is an incredibly disgusting thing to say and defends genocide. Hitler's SS also taught jewish women how to make gunpowder at Auschwitz, are you going to defend that as well?
[deleted] t1_iyal3o0 wrote
>American prison slaves had to actually commit a crime to go to jail
America has 5 times as many prisoners per capita as the rest of the world. We have more prisoners than China and they have a billion more people than us. So 1 of 2 things must be true:
- Americans are genetically different from the rest of the world and commit crime 5x as often as everyone else
or
- America wrongly imprisons 5x as many people as everyone else.
Itchy_Focus_4500 t1_iybdr4s wrote
You are changing the subject. Legally Convicted people, are completely different from the other examples.
Whitewing424 t1_iybu290 wrote
And what the Chinese are doing is quite legal there too. It's almost like something being legal has absolutely no bearing on whether it's right or wrong at all.
Itchy_Focus_4500 t1_iybuofr wrote
You are missing the point. Knocking down doors to steal people and committing a neoHolocaust and actually arresting and convicting criminals are two completely separate things. Nice try komerade.
Whitewing424 t1_iybveum wrote
Arresting and convicting people who have done nothing wrong because you wrote a law to declare them criminals isn't really as different as you think it is.
Itchy_Focus_4500 t1_iyby5cf wrote
I didn’t write the laws sweetheart, that’s not how a Democratic Republic works.
Good day.
Whitewing424 t1_iyd8dv7 wrote
I never said you personally wrote them, surely you aren't this dense. You can't be this stupid.
[deleted] t1_iye3zzz wrote
The prisoners in china are legally detained as well.
MasterpieceBrave420 t1_iya9pt2 wrote
"Crime" like possessing 1 gram of weed or jaywalking or just being black and talking back to a white police officer who choses to charge you with resisting arrest because he couldn't find something to plant on you.
I'm not impressed with your whitewashed version of American history.
The only one excusing anything here is you and your bullshit white conservative revisionist version of American justice.
Itchy_Focus_4500 t1_iybdvph wrote
Nice try, komerade
bagonmaster t1_iyb4x3e wrote
The vast majority were not convicted by a jury either because they were railroaded into a deal, they had a bad lawyer, or they just didn’t know their rights. There is no due process for the poor
Itchy_Focus_4500 t1_iybe8n2 wrote
And, it’s the same for Everyone.
Yup, exceptions happen. Everyone gets a lawyer, if they want. If you don’t wanna pay, don’t play.
bagonmaster t1_iybk05u wrote
You’ve definitely never interacted with the legal system if you think it’s easy to get a public defender
Itchy_Focus_4500 t1_iybkhtg wrote
I have, indeed, used the Public Defender. In another life.
It’s free. Not What, When or How YOU want it. If you broke the LAW, then you’re responsible for it. It’s free for a reason.
bagonmaster t1_iybkzf5 wrote
I seriously doubt that unless it was like 40 years ago. There are restrictions on what types of crimes are entitled to a public defender, you have to earn under the federal poverty line in order to qualify for one, and there still aren’t enough defenders for everyone who is eligible.
Itchy_Focus_4500 t1_iybn9af wrote
Well random internet stranger, I just wanted you to know that I, in fact, do not care what you believe. I lived it. Different crime, different criteria. Bottom line, if you have to wait for a lawyer prior to the trial, then it’s worth pointing out, you get what you’re paying for. You may not be tried without legal representation or advice. As I said, not everyone gets what they want, when they want it or how it is done. Everyone, has the same Rights.
bagonmaster t1_iybosqo wrote
Everyone doesn’t have the same rights, that’s the whole point. We essentially have 2 separate justice systems, you have 100% never interacted with it in any way especially not as someone who needed a public defender
Itchy_Focus_4500 t1_iybq2mi wrote
Look, I told you that it’s happened to me, more than once.
Just because YOU SAY something, doesn’t mean it is true. I am not gonna explain anything else to you, as you tell me that I’m wrong. Just because you watched an episode of Chicago PD & know someone who once worked in a bodega, didn’t actually make you an expert. Take your younger self outside and, after you pick up your double soy latte and scone, actually make it your daily routine to get your own life. Oh, and fuck off.
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Whitewing424 t1_iybtuxu wrote
So you want to defend the idea that the rich should be more able to avoid penalties from the justice system by arguing that wealth should be able to buy you better defense, and the best defenders should be reserved for the wealthiest clients. It's almost like the rich live by a totally different set of rules than the rest of us.
Itchy_Focus_4500 t1_iybv13o wrote
You are Never gonna change my mind, my life (much more than you) experiences and actions and achievements.
You can sit in grandma’s basement and pontificate about shit You know nothing about.
Good Day.
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