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ms4720 t1_irhgq8u wrote

By Chinese law they have to hand anything over if asked for it

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No_Firefighter5082 t1_irifkfo wrote

I’ve worked in a number of large corporates and every time we had to deploy anything in country it had to go through their telecom provider and it couldn’t be above a certain encryption strength.

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ms4720 t1_irjquud wrote

Different from just giving the government clear text in realtime

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No_Firefighter5082 t1_irkirnn wrote

Not much different. Although expect face book etc to be the same

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ms4720 t1_irksvba wrote

Massively different. If it is shown that a case in the US has no lawful biases the entire thing can be dismissed for lack of evidence and all the evidence gathered is tainted and can't be used.

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RealRiotingPacifist t1_irhm9ou wrote

That's pretty much the same as US law, and EU law then?

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SuperSecretAgentMan t1_irhmerk wrote

The difference is that the Chinese government asks for it literally every day on a second-by-second basis.
It's a data farming app. That's why it exists.

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RealRiotingPacifist t1_irhmk4a wrote

whereas the NSA just breaks in and takes it, every day.

Most of the internet is data farming.

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MrQew t1_iri7i5v wrote

Sounds like someone wants an excuse to keep TikTok installed. It's also literally making people depressed when not on the app.

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RealRiotingPacifist t1_irjrkrl wrote

Not really, just pointing out that it's just no different to other social media, it just gets this reaction on here because "Chyyyna bad"

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xELxSCORCHOx t1_irico22 wrote

Really more then anything this highlights the absolute need for the Rule of Law. The NSA violated the law spying on Americans. Hopefully it has therefor ended, but who can be sure? If we, the American public, had imparted the demand for the Rule of Law in no uncertain terms on our elected officials, we could be sure.

Instead, we have separated ourselves into tribes that will put up with a little bullshit if it helps our side or disadvantaged the other side. As a result we get the corruption in government that we deserve, because we show ourselves to be at least somewhat corrupt as a society.

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RealRiotingPacifist t1_irjtg5o wrote

The American public regularly makes clear demands for stuff, they are ignored, the US hasn't been a democracy for a long time.

When the CIA can kill presidents allow presidents to be killed, swing elections & install their own (former) agent as president, they are in charge not the public.

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xELxSCORCHOx t1_irjwg8t wrote

Lol. Is this you Alex Jones? Instead of pretending to be powerless you should try to help out.

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RealRiotingPacifist t1_irk8tpv wrote

I am powerless when it comes to the federal government, I focus my energy locally, where things aren't quite as fucked.

In terms of privacy, if it's stored on a server I don't own, I assume the NSA can get the info if they want, it's just that I'm not interesting enough for them to bother, it's not like the FISA courts wouldn't approve it.

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random_shitter t1_irht1f0 wrote

Shush! No mirrors allowed when Chinabashing!

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Torifyme12 t1_irhw7p5 wrote

Cool, I'd still rather have an agency we can control to some degree vs a foreign power we have no influence over.

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random_shitter t1_irhzgx1 wrote

Me as a European: those 2 piles of shit smell exactly the same.

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No-Sock-9684 t1_iri50f9 wrote

One party you’re talking about vowed to keep up our safety and democracy in Europe while the other party you’re talking about completely hates the western world we’re living in. There’s a clear difference

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random_shitter t1_irj44l2 wrote

Yeah sure, all for the lovely price of some economic warfare and industrial espionage. Who could disagree with that??

Fpr example: https://www.glimpsefromtheglobe.com/topics/economics/explaining-airbus-boeing-rivalry

Edit: I also know of no active hostilities from China towards the West. They complain about our meddling but I can't blame then for that.

If the USA would keep to their own as China does, USA wouldn't be known as warmongers.

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Torifyme12 t1_irj7nkf wrote

Do we need to get into how much the French spy on us? Or can we just acknowledge that the level of rivalry between Airbus and Boeing isn't the same?

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ms4720 t1_irpdnsy wrote

And western Europe would be a Soviet satellite set of states

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random_shitter t1_irql0s3 wrote

"if I didn't beat up my wife her next partner would, so stop complaining."

Perfect argument, nobody can disagree with that...

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zaque_wann t1_iri2gue wrote

For me Chinese influence is no good because we share the same waters. US is a bit fine since they're far away, and they're busy with games in the middle east anyways.

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Irapotato t1_iri6kxo wrote

You think we control the NSA hahahahaha. Who the fuck is “we”? The entire criminal “intelligence” community is unelected.

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Torifyme12 t1_irj7ru0 wrote

Yes?

Gen Alexander was fired and replaced, I can't do the same to Winnie.

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reflyer t1_iri1lwb wrote

you sure you can control the spy，

not the spy control you

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youre_a_pretty_panda t1_iri2zo8 wrote

Absolutely not. In a constitutional democracy with an independent judiciary you can challenge ANY state action and you CAN actually win. The constitution is the Supreme law of the land, if a court rules against the state then the state must comply or the government officials who refuse will face criminal penalties.

In China there is no independent judiciary. According to Chinse law the CCP is the ultimate authority. A Chinese court cannot order the government to do anything and if a judge did somehow lose their mind and attempt to go against the government then they wouldn't be a judge for long.

So no, it's not the same. In the US and EU companies often challenge government requests for information and they actually win. In China that's impossible.

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jaybazzizzle t1_irhgnt6 wrote

'Made in China' is synonymous with 'Owned by China'

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relearningsales t1_irhs6sf wrote

Not really. Lots of products from well known companies like Apple is made in China.

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Important-Owl1661 t1_irhn1ks wrote

If this bothers you go check all the ATMs in your neighborhood I would say something like 90% of them are made/owned by the Chinese.

Want to fuck with America big time? Shut off ATM access through the back door you built in

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contextswitch t1_iripfw2 wrote

China would discover how few people still use cash. It would be a week of minor inconvenience for some and a big collective yawn for everyone else.

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Important-Owl1661 t1_irjvrl1 wrote

Yeah, that's why there are people lined up at the ATMs every Friday and Saturday night and on Sundays

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Willinton06 t1_irhq6lp wrote

Yeah that’ll never happen, that would be a war declaration

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Koders333 t1_irhikmg wrote

Between Tiktok and Tencent, it’s only a matter of time before all technology sectors are dominated by the Chinese government. I mean “Chinese companies.”

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Willinton06 t1_irhqa64 wrote

TikTok will fade, as all social media does, but tencent is a bit more dangerous

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chaddaddycwizzie t1_irkj952 wrote

How so? I’ve only heard of tencent in passing and don’t know much about it, other than having just looked it up and realized they’re massive

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Willinton06 t1_irkjddj wrote

Almost every kid in the American continent has one of their apps on their phone / parents phone, fuckers are massive

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8ofAll t1_irhnrh0 wrote

Should’ve banned the app when we had the chance to.

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RoburLC t1_irhrje2 wrote

Ultimately, the Chinese Communist Party.

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random_shitter t1_irhsze7 wrote

Who controls Facebook? Meta unable to allay global fears over US state influence and data access

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AliceVerron t1_iri06do wrote

Its literally a data funnel for the chinese government to spy on the rest of the world, then again almost any social media app is a data syphon for either a government or corporation, so do with that info what you will, but i would heavily recommend getting off as much social media outlets as possible

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dethb0y t1_iri5msd wrote

Well yeah it's hard to allay fears when, in fact, you are doing exactly what people are accusing you of...

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No_Firefighter5082 t1_iri2m2s wrote

Kidding yourselves if you think the government doesn’t have full access

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[deleted] t1_irk5e60 wrote

Yea, i just dont want the Chinese government to have full access

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No_Firefighter5082 t1_irkd6gt wrote

Understand although what’s so controversial about the information in TikTok? Maybe look at things like alibaba, wish, or even our energy suppliers. Pretty sure that information is more important given you provide PII. As soon as I bought something from wish.com they also on sold my info to scammer dbs - how do I know? I misspelt my name on purpose and that’s what they were referring to me as.

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[deleted] t1_irkukqp wrote

>Understand although what’s so controversial about the information in TikTok?

To my understanding, they get access to your whole phone, including messages not sent on Tiktok

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littleMAS t1_irk2ci3 wrote

I doubt if the Chinese government has complete control of TikTok. Governments rarely if ever create anything so popular and successful. They will probably start 'controlling' it, effectively making it unpopular, then sell it to Facebook.

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[deleted] t1_irk5hlz wrote

if a business achieves a certain level of success in China, it becomes mandatory to have CCP officials on the board of the company

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AMirrorForReddit t1_irk5l4g wrote

It scares me to think about people taking your opinion on this matter seriously.

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