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RealRiotingPacifist t1_irhm9ou wrote

Reply to comment by ms4720 in Who controls TikTok? ByteDance unable to allay fears in the West over Chinese state influence and data access by Saltedline

That's pretty much the same as US law, and EU law then?

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SuperSecretAgentMan t1_irhmerk wrote

The difference is that the Chinese government asks for it literally every day on a second-by-second basis.
It's a data farming app. That's why it exists.

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RealRiotingPacifist t1_irhmk4a wrote

whereas the NSA just breaks in and takes it, every day.

Most of the internet is data farming.

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MrQew t1_iri7i5v wrote

Sounds like someone wants an excuse to keep TikTok installed. It's also literally making people depressed when not on the app.

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RealRiotingPacifist t1_irjrkrl wrote

Not really, just pointing out that it's just no different to other social media, it just gets this reaction on here because "Chyyyna bad"

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xELxSCORCHOx t1_irico22 wrote

Really more then anything this highlights the absolute need for the Rule of Law. The NSA violated the law spying on Americans. Hopefully it has therefor ended, but who can be sure? If we, the American public, had imparted the demand for the Rule of Law in no uncertain terms on our elected officials, we could be sure.

Instead, we have separated ourselves into tribes that will put up with a little bullshit if it helps our side or disadvantaged the other side. As a result we get the corruption in government that we deserve, because we show ourselves to be at least somewhat corrupt as a society.

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RealRiotingPacifist t1_irjtg5o wrote

The American public regularly makes clear demands for stuff, they are ignored, the US hasn't been a democracy for a long time.

When the CIA can kill presidents allow presidents to be killed, swing elections & install their own (former) agent as president, they are in charge not the public.

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xELxSCORCHOx t1_irjwg8t wrote

Lol. Is this you Alex Jones? Instead of pretending to be powerless you should try to help out.

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RealRiotingPacifist t1_irk8tpv wrote

I am powerless when it comes to the federal government, I focus my energy locally, where things aren't quite as fucked.

In terms of privacy, if it's stored on a server I don't own, I assume the NSA can get the info if they want, it's just that I'm not interesting enough for them to bother, it's not like the FISA courts wouldn't approve it.

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random_shitter t1_irht1f0 wrote

Shush! No mirrors allowed when Chinabashing!

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Torifyme12 t1_irhw7p5 wrote

Cool, I'd still rather have an agency we can control to some degree vs a foreign power we have no influence over.

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random_shitter t1_irhzgx1 wrote

Me as a European: those 2 piles of shit smell exactly the same.

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No-Sock-9684 t1_iri50f9 wrote

One party you’re talking about vowed to keep up our safety and democracy in Europe while the other party you’re talking about completely hates the western world we’re living in. There’s a clear difference

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random_shitter t1_irj44l2 wrote

Yeah sure, all for the lovely price of some economic warfare and industrial espionage. Who could disagree with that??

Fpr example: https://www.glimpsefromtheglobe.com/topics/economics/explaining-airbus-boeing-rivalry

Edit: I also know of no active hostilities from China towards the West. They complain about our meddling but I can't blame then for that.

If the USA would keep to their own as China does, USA wouldn't be known as warmongers.

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Torifyme12 t1_irj7nkf wrote

Do we need to get into how much the French spy on us? Or can we just acknowledge that the level of rivalry between Airbus and Boeing isn't the same?

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ms4720 t1_irpdnsy wrote

And western Europe would be a Soviet satellite set of states

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random_shitter t1_irql0s3 wrote

"if I didn't beat up my wife her next partner would, so stop complaining."

Perfect argument, nobody can disagree with that...

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zaque_wann t1_iri2gue wrote

For me Chinese influence is no good because we share the same waters. US is a bit fine since they're far away, and they're busy with games in the middle east anyways.

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Irapotato t1_iri6kxo wrote

You think we control the NSA hahahahaha. Who the fuck is “we”? The entire criminal “intelligence” community is unelected.

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Torifyme12 t1_irj7ru0 wrote

Yes?

Gen Alexander was fired and replaced, I can't do the same to Winnie.

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reflyer t1_iri1lwb wrote

you sure you can control the spy，

not the spy control you

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youre_a_pretty_panda t1_iri2zo8 wrote

Absolutely not. In a constitutional democracy with an independent judiciary you can challenge ANY state action and you CAN actually win. The constitution is the Supreme law of the land, if a court rules against the state then the state must comply or the government officials who refuse will face criminal penalties.

In China there is no independent judiciary. According to Chinse law the CCP is the ultimate authority. A Chinese court cannot order the government to do anything and if a judge did somehow lose their mind and attempt to go against the government then they wouldn't be a judge for long.

So no, it's not the same. In the US and EU companies often challenge government requests for information and they actually win. In China that's impossible.

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