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halbeshendel t1_jboq6ar wrote

Reply to comment by its_still_good in Mikaela Shiffrin gets her record 86th World Cup victory by Jokobib

Female? No. Just the best. Ever. At all. Of all time.

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elkourinho t1_jbqjulj wrote

Idk, Hirscher is probably the goat. On eye test and how dominant he was.

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skinte1 t1_jbqwj7l wrote

Stenmark is definitely the GOAT together with Shiffrin. He use to win by several seconds in his time in a sport that is now usually down to hundreds. Thats how dominant he was. They even changed the world cup rules because he won to much.

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elkourinho t1_jbsebmi wrote

I was a racer on the verge of Europa cup, no. Hirscher won by seconds in a much more competitive time and age oh and let's not forget the man won so many overalls he just got tired and fucked off still in his prime. And the numbers on their own mean little to me. I'd put Tomba over Ingemar too.

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thecaramelbandit t1_jbour87 wrote

I guess it depends on how you define that, because she wouldn't be competitive against men.

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Nubsondubs t1_jbp0mqo wrote

That goes without saying, because it's so stupidly obvious only an idiot would feel the need to point that out.

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Bill-Ender-Belichick t1_jbpco7z wrote

Never know in today’s society, I’ve been told there are no significant biological differences on reddit before.

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Apt_5 t1_jbpzveb wrote

Idk if you’re being downvoted b/c that doesn’t happen in this sub so people here haven’t seen it, but I will confirm that I have seen it argued all over reddit too. Especially wrt to sports, I’ve seen it stated as if fact that athletic performance isn’t significantly different between the two.

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Nubsondubs t1_jbpisso wrote

> been told there are no significant biological differences on reddit before.

That kind of thinking has to be in the minority by a wide margin. It's better not to validate it by acknowledging it to begin with.

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Apt_5 t1_jbq0yrg wrote

It may be only what a tiny minority thinks, but somehow they are powerful enough to provoke huge impacts. How the judge can believe that an assumed tendency toward depression and suicidality cancels out established physical differences in size and strength, I don’t know.

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Staedsen t1_jbsgr31 wrote

That is about transgender which is another thing.

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Apt_5 t1_jbu3x2n wrote

No, the athletic differences between men & women due to biology are relevant; they doesn’t disappear when the word “transgender” is introduced.

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Staedsen t1_jbu4fi3 wrote

They don't disappear when the word transgender is introduced but hormone therapy does change things quite a bit.

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loosterbooster t1_jbppt45 wrote

Tomba or Stenmark wouldn't be competitive on their equipment vs today's athletes either. The only comparison we can make is relative to their peers and by that metric Mikaela is the GOAT.

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skinte1 t1_jbqyv2n wrote

>The only comparison we can make is relative to their peers and by that metric Mikaela is the GOAT.

That would be GOAT together with Stenmark then... He still has as many wins and was arguably even more dominant in his time since he only competed in S and GS meaning he needed fewer events to reach his 86 wins. they even changed the rules because of him since he won the overall cup 3 years in a row despite not competeing in SG and DH...

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loosterbooster t1_jbr4n02 wrote

Agree at this moment Mikaela and Stenmark are basically even. However, Mikaela is only 27 and she will almost certainly win many more races. Also, why is it a bonus for Stenmark that he didn't compete in the speed events? I would suggest that makes Mikaela even more impressive.

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skinte1 t1_jbr8bpm wrote

>Also, why is it a bonus for Stenmark that he didn't compete in the speed events?

Because he had fewer events /tries to reach the same number of wins. As for Super G it didn't even exist until 1982 which was after Stenmarks prime. And parallel slalom, team events and combined weren't counted as WC wins back then but they are now etc. Another comparison is Stenmark has 155 podiums on 231 events and Mikaela has 135 podiums on 244 events.

But as you say Mikaela will probably win a lot more. Maybe even break 100 which would set her apart even from Stenmark.

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