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Good-Expression-4433 t1_izagolx wrote

Knew it was coming but not a great look.

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mammamiapizzacrust t1_izamrgr wrote

Only the headline makes it a bad look

Homeless given other options beside state house would be fairer

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Good-Expression-4433 t1_izanhsc wrote

They should, and the state is saying they will, but the reality is that the resources put into homeless services and prevention are incredibly lacking. Last Fall I contacted everything possible when I was set to be homeless and everyone had the same answer; no availabilities and lack of resources to take on more people. Obviously that was a year difference but unless they scaled up a ton over a year then I'm not optimistic, and by reporting over the last year over the situation, they haven't.

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allhailthehale t1_izaqeji wrote

What other options were they given? I understand that the article says they have caseworkers but if there are no beds, there are no beds.

Last winter there was a shortage of beds. I don't see why that would be any different this year-- I'm not aware of any large-scale additional development in that area. The warming station planned at the Cranston Street armory is not yet open and there's no timeline for it opening as far as I know. McKee referencing that seems incredibly disingenuous under the circumstances.

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BingBong022 t1_izauxdn wrote

This is absurd, and a sad state for the city. It's an endless cycle. Homeless people just continously keep moving from one spot to another. They get kicked out and move somewhere else. Literally what are they supposed to do? The State and City need to seriously address the issue and provide more funding, ask for federal help and funding. This is getting out of control. We need more shelters, beds, Affordable housing, temporary housing, and help these people get clean from drugs, get mental illness help, and help them find employment, provide job/skill training.

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radioflea t1_izd7phv wrote

Memorial hospital has essential been vacant for 5 years, they could easily transform that facility into temporary or even permanent housing.

The states never had more money so this shouldn’t be as big of an issue as it has unfortunately been.

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bluehat9 t1_izbgxp7 wrote

I agree with what you're saying but how do you address the people who do not want to accept the help when it is offered? There are many who don't want to get clean from drugs or get mental illness help. There are even more who don't want to work

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BingBong022 t1_izbnlam wrote

I don't have a good answer or solution to that. But I don't think we should just write anyone and everybody off who is homeless and just assume that they are in the position that they are in because they don't want help or to help themselves. I'm sure there is a percentage of people who don't want to accept help as you say. But we should all still work together as a community to push politicians to provide resources to the homeless. Even if you don't care about the homeless, it's in everyone's best own interests to see these people improve their life situation and have housing so our city can thrive and grow and be prosperous. If we are all one community in this city we are only as strong as our weakest links/members. We should try to lift these people up because we all benefit from it as a whole. Just my personal opinion on the matter

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bluehat9 t1_izbrb1u wrote

Oh I don't think that this applies to every homeless person, believe me. But I do know with 100% certainty that SOME of the homeless individuals in this and other states fit that description. Like I said, I agree with you that we do need to provide more resources and more opportunities to get help. I just don't know how to handle those few percent who actively do not want to be helped.

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shankthedog t1_izdbly0 wrote

The answer is you don’t help them. They are in the minority of those wanting to live a house free lifestyle. As long as they’re not encroaching on anyone else, that’s their right.

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shankthedog t1_izdbf7z wrote

You said it much more eloquently than me. Thank you

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shankthedog t1_izdb4oq wrote

I think there are more that want help to help themselves then refuse help because they enjoy their condition.

Until the help is there it’s a tootsie pop

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DanMarinosDolphins t1_izdx6jn wrote

I'm not worried about the people who are homeless by choice. I grew up in a Christian cult and when I rebelled I was thrown out at 19. I didn't know how to take a bus or how to do a job interview. I was homeless for a time and housing insecure even longer. I could have benefited from resources being made known to me or being available. I donate to house of codec and to crossroads because I believe in expanding social programs for the housing insecure.

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jt_tesla t1_izbz4yz wrote

Homelessness is not just an Rhode Island problem. High cost of rent and houses everywhere is making housing unattainable. Plus all the NIMBYs that don’t want affordable housing. If the problem was easy, it would have been solved by now.

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hog6oy t1_izaq1pr wrote

I saw a couple Staty SUV’s there when i drove by earlier today, I wondered if this was what was going down

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winter-14 t1_izdsjym wrote

Please remember; There are homeless in Coventry, Burrilliville, Westerly too. The problem needs a coordinated solution.

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ynwp t1_izaxwlu wrote

Drove by there the other day. I was freezing in my car with the heat blasting. Holy crap are these homeless tough.

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BingBong022 t1_izaz95z wrote

No option for them but to be tough unfortunately

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Rogue-Island-Pirate OP t1_izbumyr wrote

Additional coverage from the Boston Globe https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/12/07/metro/mckee-staff-notify-homeless-encampment-ri-state-house-leave-or-face-fines-arrest/

Additional coverage from the Providence Journal https://cm.providencejournal.com/offers-reg/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.providencejournal.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2F2022%2F12%2F07%2Fhomeless-ordered-off-ri-state-house-grounds-tent-encampment-eviction%2F69708917007%2F

Additional coverage from UpRise RI https://upriseri.com/state-house-homeless-encampment-served-48-hour-eviction-notice/

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Remarkable_Money_369 t1_izcgf7n wrote

How are people considered evicted from state house grounds? I really wish PVD would take note of what SLC is doing.

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crawfishonacid t1_izci8nr wrote

It's State land. Don't they have the right to be there?

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SeansModernLife t1_izcpo5d wrote

I remember during Occupy they all camped out at Burnside Park. Why don't they just go do that again?

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AhChingados t1_izeg09o wrote

I want to remind people that the same thing happened last year. There was Senator camping out so they didn’t dare to evict them. This year it was only houseless folks, that why this is happening (also the reason last year was organized to NOT put houseless ppl in a precarious position). Last year, Promises were made, news conferences were called, and the protest ended but the promises didn’t materialize. Out of sight out of mind seems to be the Governor’s approach. Come tonight (Thursday) at 5 for a prayer and demonstration or tomorrow at 8 am to stop the clearing the camp from happening

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Sultrymale t1_izbbix9 wrote

Who wants a hotel voucher? I do :)

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leavingthecold t1_izaifw3 wrote

As they should be. Surprised it didn't happen right away.

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BingBong022 t1_izau2uu wrote

Where do you expect them to live/sleep?

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DanMarinosDolphins t1_izdwqhl wrote

Not where women walk alone to work. Women's safety > homeless men who refuse social assistance.

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leavingthecold t1_izavwlp wrote

Crossroads

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allhailthehale t1_izaxext wrote

There aren't enough beds at Crossroads, or in the state-- or in the country for that matter. We're dealing with a national shortage in both housing and emergency housing.

Given that people have to exist in bodily form somewhere, the statehouse lawn feels like a great option-- it's visible to those who can do something about it and it's not really affecting anyone else because it's a largely unused space.

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DanMarinosDolphins t1_izdwnt3 wrote

Great, so how much money have you donated to crossroads to help? I wrote my annual giving Tuesday check.

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Goodnightfutureghost t1_izb14ri wrote

The average person with a spare room is a terrible alternative to trained professionals in a workplace setting caring for homeless people. A lot of homeless people have other issues that we are not equipped to handle and fucking around with people who need help because you have a spare room can cause way more harm than good.

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leavingthecold t1_izawir4 wrote

That's another service provided at Crossroads.

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BingBong022 t1_izax2wh wrote

My apologies, misunderstood you. I thought you were implying the homeless should literally live and sleep on crossroads and get hit by a car. Sorry. Pretty much thought you were saying the homeless should just die or kill themselves.

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Dramatic_Polarbear t1_izazh0q wrote

Bro got downvoted for speaking facts 💀

How many of the people who disagree or downvoted you have offered any form of help to the homeless?

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allhailthehale t1_izb4kbc wrote

Do you ever complain about roads in the state? Maybe suggest that RIDOT should be doing a better job?

I'm sure you wouldn't do that without going out and filling some potholes yourself before you suggest that RIDOT should do more, though, right? Maybe refinish a few roads while you're at it?

I pointed out to the poster that there aren't enough beds at Crossroads. And... crickets. I guess they're not interested in 'speaking facts' when confronted by reality.

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Dramatic_Polarbear t1_izbkj67 wrote

Lmao I love this argument in particular because the answer is no. I've lived in RI since March and the amount of RIers that complain about the roads is ASTONISHING, yall really don't know how good you have it when it comes to the roads. Try living in Vermont for a day where 50% of roads aren't even paived then come talk to me. So to answer your question no I haven't complained about the roads here. Think of a different anology, better yet don't because I completely get the point you're trying to make I just disagree with it as I've lost sympathy for the homeless. I used to be like the majority of you guys crying about them saying oh we should do this and that for them, but what it comes down to is most of them don't want help or to help themselves they want to fuel their drug addiction. Once I started Ubering spending 8-12 hrs on the road a day around Providence and seeing there true side I lost all compassion for them. They do not gaf about themselves let alone any form of help you or the government can give them. Get over your wokeness or don't because ultimately it doesn't matter.

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