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Turtley13 t1_iy8jkdj wrote
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There are three separate sources in that article.
ccoady t1_iy8veft wrote
I agree that the TSA is low skilled and not the best solution, but they're not taking away rights like crazy people suggest. They're strictly trying to keep people from taking over planes and turning them into human filled missiles. It's a huge inconvenience, but better than doing nothing.
Turtley13 t1_iy8zage wrote
I mean hardly when your failure rate is so damn high.Also the rules for what you can and can't bring on a plane are a joke.
ccoady t1_iy93vdp wrote
A true failure of the TSA would be a bomb getting through and another plane crashing into a building. You're assuming the failure rate based on independent criteria (without looking at the BIG picture) yet we haven't had a terrorist attack via airplane since 2001, so to the bean counters and terrorist task forces, that's a win, not a failure.
Sure the rules for what you can bring on are silly, but there's a reason behind most of them.
Failure rate for small stuff = High
Failure rate for BIG stuff (bombing/hijacking) = ZERO
Is it a zero because the TSA is a deterrent? maybe, but you can't call it a failure if its main reason for being established has worked (hijacking, suicide bombing, etc)
Turtley13 t1_iy97ls0 wrote
You are making no sense.
Failure rate for hijacking ZERO... is it zerio maybe? no it has worked cuz its zero.
There is no proof they prevented anything.
ccoady t1_iy9pilz wrote
The whole point of the TSA was to stop terrorist attacks. How many terrorists attacks or hijackings have happened since the TSA was created?
Z E R O. They may be "failing" at some airports, and that SHOULD get fixed (even though they're catching 4,000 guns per year), but that's not the point. The point of the TSA was ensure future safety of flying. Some planes have random air marshals on them. My father did this for a few years. His job was to just look like a passenger, but he is a law enforcement office and a pilot, CFI, Instrument and commercial ratings with 7,000 hours of flying and 20 years of law enforcement. Has he ever stopped a terrorist attack? Nope. If a hijacking occurred, he was the most qualified person on the flight to take out a highjacked or take over the plane if the pilots were incapacitated. Would you feel safer on a international flight knowing there's a skilled officer on board who can also fly the plane?
The TSA simply existing is a huge deterrent, and that is enough to make people feel safe, regardless of the inconveniences. All of the scanning equipment and explosive detecting devices, no fly databases etc. are obviously doing what they were intended and working. Are they perfect, hell no, especially the low skilled workers on the ground.
You seem to be focusing on publicized failures to insinuate that the TSA should just be dissolved when in reality, you have no idea all the behind the scenes workings that's keeping you safe, like a fire extinguisher in your house that you may never need.
Turtley13 t1_iy9rkwz wrote
In order to stop something from happening you need to have FOILED it.
The CIA and FBI have proof of these things. The TSA has not.
ccoady t1_iy9vtzq wrote
That's not true. The FBI and CIA investigate and gather intelligence with HUGE resources. They have authority throughout the country and across the planet. The TSA does not have that. The TSA is a deterrent. They don't foil plans because they don't investigate. They only act on what is in front of them. You don't seem to know what the TSA does.
Turtley13 t1_iy9yi32 wrote
It hasn't prevented any terrorist attacks that's for sure.Please tell me how the TSA would have stopped 9/11 exactly? Confiscating their fake bombs?
ccoady t1_iyd1tv8 wrote
Well, 9/11 was carried out with box cutters. The pilots throats were slit. Also, there could have been an armed Air Marshal on board. Those would have been detected at the gate and not let onto the plane. In the case of the plane that was overtaken by passengers.
Now think. There have been ZERO terrorist attacks or hijackings since 9/11 involving planes. The job of the TSA is to ensure safety of passengers and prevent concealed weapons from making it's way onto the plane. The simple fact that there have been ZERO terrorist attacks shows you the TSA has been a deterrent. So it may have prevented terrorist attacks, we just don't know how many of the thousands of confiscated weapons every year were intended to be used on the plane. Maybe zero, maybe 10.
Turtley13 t1_iyda3vw wrote
So reinforced doors and Air Marshals stop hijackings not TSA.
GOtcha.
ccoady t1_iydgj3v wrote
No, scanners and TSA agents stop weapons from being brought on board by catching thousands of guns per year and 10's of thousands of knives. The fact that would be terrorists now KNOW they can't get these on board because of the scanning, TSA pat downs, no-fly lists, air marshals, secure cockpit doors, bomb sniffing dogs, etc.
You're so close to getting it, but I have a feeling you don't WANT to understand.
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