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[deleted] t1_iy4yigj wrote

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Cniz t1_iy5etmm wrote

The $10 is for the classic and original "you should at least buy me dinner first" joke during a pat-down

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ChocolateBunny t1_iy61fwb wrote

How much for the "was it good for you as much as it was good for me?" joke?

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Houndoom96 t1_iy5nb39 wrote

What do we get if a TSA agent verbally and/or physically abuses us?

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OtterProper t1_iy90gl3 wrote

A completely free, uncertified, fully manual, and gruffly fumbling colonoscopy. Whee.

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Willing_Maximum_8998 t1_iy7vk81 wrote

It's all on camera so give it back to them. When I was young the customer was always right and we had actual customer service. Also we weren't sissy's like these days.

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steelfork t1_iy5j1af wrote

The original fine was metric and when converted it comes out to an odd number.

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IAmRootAtDBZ t1_iy4t0m0 wrote

That fine is specific without any justification sounds just like the TSA to me. :-)

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ccoady t1_iy54uxo wrote

See, you take the consumer price index to adjust for inflation, then you average the last 3 years CPI and compile the totals of all fines and add the limiting rate. Then you round to the nearest whole dollar so it doesn't look weird.

It's pretty simple really.

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shanksta1 t1_iy58nq7 wrote

and TEN, MOTHERFUCKER

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esgrove2 t1_iy5jte0 wrote

It would be nice if every business had this policy.

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Snellyman t1_iy5edv2 wrote

Ticketmaster. The real fine is only $5000 and the rest are handling and probing fees.

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bohica1966 t1_iy5q5r2 wrote

Dissolve the TSA. They have not prevented anything to do with terrorism since they began. The only thing they have done is make the whole airline experience more miserable.

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bubba7557 t1_iy5vtld wrote

Fairly specific dollar amount

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OtterProper t1_iy90o97 wrote

They're all a bunch of useless cunts, every single one of them from the ground up.

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Dismal-Newspaper-342 t1_iy91asy wrote

TSA verbally abused people every day - “where do I put the tray” tsa - “right fucking there damn move on ‼️” best way to describe going through TSA in Atlanta and getting yelled at the whole time by all their angry employees

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Dismal-Newspaper-342 t1_iy91hqb wrote

TSA is a joke I can’t take their employees seriously when they yell at everyone who comes across them in security “no not there put you fucking bag there”

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i_fuckin_luv_it_mate t1_iy51xvk wrote

I say if the proctologist let's me curse out my frustrations while he's poking around in there, I should be allowed the same human decency when the ham-fisted TSA agent does the same, without the fines.

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papachon t1_iy51yro wrote

What if it was the other way round?

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nickeypants t1_iy5h2q9 wrote

"up to" = "guaranteed to be less than or equal to"

One minor offence should not earn you the maximum.

Better question is why is there a maximum? What if you kill all the TSA agents in the building? Are they limited to how much criminal penalty and fines they can issue because of this sign?

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itsSuperNecessary t1_iy5qves wrote

Idk but I agree with this. Keep it moving let them do their job and get to the damn plane you heathens

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TechFiend72 t1_iy6qjde wrote

Do the TSA agents agree to this as well?

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sailingtroy t1_iy4zaf4 wrote

END THE TSA. Americans need to take back their freedom of movement and their right to privacy while exercising that freedom of movement. Nothing like 9/11 has even come close to happening since. It's a totally unjustified power grab and a massive waste of tax dollars.

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RubixCubingham t1_iy4zzxr wrote

Because of the TSA...

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sailingtroy t1_iy5184a wrote

Bullshit. It's security theater. Journalists have gotten all kinds of stuff past them many times. Wake up and spit out the boot in your mouth, unless you looove the taste...

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ccoady t1_iy55qvb wrote

The TSA caught found over 3,000 guns at security checkpoints in the first 6 months of 2022. Hell, in 2018 they were averaging 82 firearms per week.

Just because a handful of journalists or whatever other rogue anecdotes of morons slipping through you have, doesn't mean they aren't doing their job. Here's more.

2020 3,257 guns (not much traveling in 2020)

2019 4,432 guns

2018 4,239 guns

2017 3,957 guns

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It pays to never stop learning. That's a mistake "Christian conservatives" or the "Don't Tread on Me" folks make. They are the ones who do what they're told to do instead of learning for themselves.

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sailingtroy t1_iy56zuq wrote

Yeah, we had airport security before we had post-9/11 airport security. Guns were tough to get through back then, too. And you didn't have to take off your shoes or your belt and they weren't allowed to go through your phone. There are other countries where their flights are just as safe and the lines aren't nearly as long. The thing about too much security is that it will always succeed.

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ccoady t1_iy885cz wrote

What we don't know is did the fact that TSA exists thwart terrorist plans and save hundreds or thousands of lives? We'll never know.

I'm a private pilot with a commercial rating, so I fly myself most places I want to go. I avoid large airports because of all the security measures. I hate the fact the FAA can track my plane via ADS-B and send me a ticket if I accidentally bust airspace without radioing in or being on the proper transponder frequency, but the implementation of all the new security measures allows me to see real time traffic on my screen as well as real time weather without an expensive radar system on my plane.

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sailingtroy t1_iy8usid wrote

Yeah, that's a basic paradox of security - has been for all time. If you let them, the security people will just continue to ramp up forever. It's totally reasonable to demand a clawback every now and again. ADS-B and real-time weather have nothing to do with letting the TSA strip-search people who are just trying to go on vacation. I shouldn't have to give up the contents of my phone just so I can attend grandma's funeral.

It's hilarious, and rude, to me that you've painted this picture in your mind of me as a "Christan conservative" who "stopped learning" with no idea as to the truth. You think I'm some right-wing moron who can't adapt to the future, but the truth is that I'm a Canadian liberal with a PPL who gives flight lessons to noobs in VR. I watched 9/11 happen, and I remember what flying was like before. Not everyone who wants their rights back is a Trumpy. Try not to make assumptions about people online, dude. You brought identity politics to a discussion about security theatre and that's just rude. You were a real prick to me back there with your "it pays to never stop learning" schtick.

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Turtley13 t1_iy592sy wrote

https://www.heritage.org/transportation/commentary/heres-how-bad-the-tsa-failing-airport-security-its-time-privatization

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ccoady t1_iy8absl wrote

Dude, the heritage foundation is a trash organization. They want to privatize everything from the military, to roads, all schools and federal agencies. They want THEIR people in control regardless of what government is in control. They're a KOCH industry body. Here's an example of everything they want to privatize (articles they posted about privatization). They routinely flood their site with the same articles over and over. These are all Heritage Foundation articles. Heritage.org is absolute Right Wing TRASH/Propaganda. The Koch family is trach as well.

Federal Services

Contract federal services

Municipalities

Local Services

Prisons

TSA

Foreign Investment tracking

GSA

Infrastructure

Social Security (dozens of articles on this)

Sacrificing Public health care (dozens of articles on this & Medicare)

Public Schools

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Turtley13 t1_iy8jkdj wrote

There are three separate sources in that article.

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ccoady t1_iy8veft wrote

I agree that the TSA is low skilled and not the best solution, but they're not taking away rights like crazy people suggest. They're strictly trying to keep people from taking over planes and turning them into human filled missiles. It's a huge inconvenience, but better than doing nothing.

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Turtley13 t1_iy8zage wrote

I mean hardly when your failure rate is so damn high.Also the rules for what you can and can't bring on a plane are a joke.

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ccoady t1_iy93vdp wrote

A true failure of the TSA would be a bomb getting through and another plane crashing into a building. You're assuming the failure rate based on independent criteria (without looking at the BIG picture) yet we haven't had a terrorist attack via airplane since 2001, so to the bean counters and terrorist task forces, that's a win, not a failure.

Sure the rules for what you can bring on are silly, but there's a reason behind most of them.

Failure rate for small stuff = High

Failure rate for BIG stuff (bombing/hijacking) = ZERO

Is it a zero because the TSA is a deterrent? maybe, but you can't call it a failure if its main reason for being established has worked (hijacking, suicide bombing, etc)

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Turtley13 t1_iy97ls0 wrote

You are making no sense.

Failure rate for hijacking ZERO... is it zerio maybe? no it has worked cuz its zero.

There is no proof they prevented anything.

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ccoady t1_iy9pilz wrote

The whole point of the TSA was to stop terrorist attacks. How many terrorists attacks or hijackings have happened since the TSA was created?

Z E R O. They may be "failing" at some airports, and that SHOULD get fixed (even though they're catching 4,000 guns per year), but that's not the point. The point of the TSA was ensure future safety of flying. Some planes have random air marshals on them. My father did this for a few years. His job was to just look like a passenger, but he is a law enforcement office and a pilot, CFI, Instrument and commercial ratings with 7,000 hours of flying and 20 years of law enforcement. Has he ever stopped a terrorist attack? Nope. If a hijacking occurred, he was the most qualified person on the flight to take out a highjacked or take over the plane if the pilots were incapacitated. Would you feel safer on a international flight knowing there's a skilled officer on board who can also fly the plane?

The TSA simply existing is a huge deterrent, and that is enough to make people feel safe, regardless of the inconveniences. All of the scanning equipment and explosive detecting devices, no fly databases etc. are obviously doing what they were intended and working. Are they perfect, hell no, especially the low skilled workers on the ground.

You seem to be focusing on publicized failures to insinuate that the TSA should just be dissolved when in reality, you have no idea all the behind the scenes workings that's keeping you safe, like a fire extinguisher in your house that you may never need.

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Turtley13 t1_iy9rkwz wrote

In order to stop something from happening you need to have FOILED it.

The CIA and FBI have proof of these things. The TSA has not.

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ccoady t1_iy9vtzq wrote

That's not true. The FBI and CIA investigate and gather intelligence with HUGE resources. They have authority throughout the country and across the planet. The TSA does not have that. The TSA is a deterrent. They don't foil plans because they don't investigate. They only act on what is in front of them. You don't seem to know what the TSA does.

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Turtley13 t1_iy9yi32 wrote

It hasn't prevented any terrorist attacks that's for sure.Please tell me how the TSA would have stopped 9/11 exactly? Confiscating their fake bombs?

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ccoady t1_iyd1tv8 wrote

Well, 9/11 was carried out with box cutters. The pilots throats were slit. Also, there could have been an armed Air Marshal on board. Those would have been detected at the gate and not let onto the plane. In the case of the plane that was overtaken by passengers.

Now think. There have been ZERO terrorist attacks or hijackings since 9/11 involving planes. The job of the TSA is to ensure safety of passengers and prevent concealed weapons from making it's way onto the plane. The simple fact that there have been ZERO terrorist attacks shows you the TSA has been a deterrent. So it may have prevented terrorist attacks, we just don't know how many of the thousands of confiscated weapons every year were intended to be used on the plane. Maybe zero, maybe 10.

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Turtley13 t1_iyda3vw wrote

So reinforced doors and Air Marshals stop hijackings not TSA.

GOtcha.

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ccoady t1_iydgj3v wrote

No, scanners and TSA agents stop weapons from being brought on board by catching thousands of guns per year and 10's of thousands of knives. The fact that would be terrorists now KNOW they can't get these on board because of the scanning, TSA pat downs, no-fly lists, air marshals, secure cockpit doors, bomb sniffing dogs, etc.

You're so close to getting it, but I have a feeling you don't WANT to understand.

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Ima_piece_of_shit t1_iy55c2g wrote

Shut the fuck up. Time and time again it's been proven that the tsa has not prevented any actual terror plots and has let through actual security threats either due to accidents by passengers or intentional probing of the security measures. Tsa is a waste of time and money.

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