Submitted by JBizznass t3_zb6nt5 in philadelphia
Adventurous_Key3647 t1_iyrxew9 wrote
Reply to comment by bigmoneyswagger in University of Pennsylvania student attacked in Center City; female suspect sought by JBizznass
I know nyc gets a bad rap but at least I feel safe in their trains/ walking around. Not that I don’t feel safe here but nyc is doing something right. It got real cleaned up. It has a way to go but we haven’t even begun here.
bigmoneyswagger t1_iyrympv wrote
I think it starts with the police, mayor, and DA acknowledging we have a bad problem and working together to actually do something beyond pointing fingers. You’re right, we are a long way off.
Raecino t1_iyryj18 wrote
Hahah feel safe on NYC trains? Are you joking? There’s been plenty of attacks on New York trains, far more than there have been here. The mentally ill often lurk in the subways in New York.
bigmoneyswagger t1_iys4a10 wrote
The rates of these attacks are astronomically low. You need to consider how many people / trains are in NYC. Naturally there are more incidences, but as a % they are extremely low.
Adventurous_Key3647 t1_iys56br wrote
This is what I think. Plus it’s just like herd mentality for me. I feel safer knowing that if I go onto a subway in nyc at any time it will be packed with people. In Philly, rush hour might even have just 1 or 2 people. And I’ve just been targeted one too many times already. I no longer take the train here.
Do_it_with_care t1_iysccxv wrote
Your right they are low. I see thousands of people riding every day and traveling with my Nurse bag into some seedy areas I’ve not had a problem in 30 years. Keep in mind millions of folks take public transport every day. There’s over 8 million people living in such a tight area, so yeah it’s amazing the amount of freedom there is compared to other cities, considering that the danger is low. Born and raised in Philly during the 60’s & 70’s and didn’t have a problem either. Sure they’re mentally ill folks but not as wild as some of the countries I’ve stayed in abroad.
Raecino t1_iys5489 wrote
The rates of the attacks are high, not low. I’m not sure where you got that from but I’ve seen the difference with my own eyes and from experiences of family and friends who live in NYC. Philly is more dangerous than New York there’s no question about that, but attacks from mentally ill people on the subway happen much more frequently in New York than in Philly.
bigmoneyswagger t1_iys5qx6 wrote
They happen more frequently because there are astronomically more trains / rides. We literally have 3 light rail lines.
You need to look at rates not gross number of incidences. That’s like saying there are more murders in nyc than Philly so nyc is less safe. Makes no sense.
Accomplished-Low-173 t1_iysa481 wrote
The funny (sad) thing is, Philly has not only a higher murder rate then NYC, but also way more murders in absolute numbers.
Raecino t1_iys649r wrote
There’s more murders in Philly though, not just comparing rates. And going by the rate I’d still say there are more attacks on nyc trains. You wouldn’t know that if you didn’t spend considerable time in NYC taking the subway.
bigmoneyswagger t1_iys6dwl wrote
I think it’s well known NYC trains are safer than Philly trains. So I’ll just leave it at that, not worth arguing further.
Accomplished-Low-173 t1_iysa84s wrote
Have you actually taken the subway? It isn’t only much safer then septa, it feels like it too.
Raecino t1_iysgn38 wrote
I lived in NYC for 12 years, and yes I was taking the subway the entire time I lived there. I witnessed violence more often on New York trains than I ever have in Philly. People get pushed in front of trains far more often in New York than happens here in Philly.
TantricEmu t1_iysmlt5 wrote
Just because you ride the subway in NYC doesn’t mean you know the numbers of frequency and rates of violence. This info is collected and analyzed, not based on “feel” of people who live there.
I haven’t checked either numbers so I’m not making any claims here, maybe you’re right or wrong, but your experience of riding the subway isn’t exactly scientific.
Raecino t1_iyt691j wrote
So check the numbers and come back and tell us. Because I can guarantee you the numbers back what I’m saying. You didn’t live in NYC did you, so how would you know? Since you don’t have the numbers or the “feel” to be able to argue this with me. Show me some facts if you have them.
TantricEmu t1_iyt6nkk wrote
Well I don’t care that much, but you seem convinced. I’m also not making any claims. You are making claims though, so why don’t you show some numbers?
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Adventurous_Key3647 t1_iys3f7q wrote
Yes I do feel safer. Despite what you see on social media. I am in nyc very often and I’ve never seen anything. Often the cars are very crowded and most people look decent just trying to pass the time.
In Philly, I’ve almost been attacked. The cars are always empty except for questionable looking people. Idk if it’s my luck but every time I ride the BSL it’s empty except for a few very shady looking characters and of course they try to talk to me. I’m just over it.
Raecino t1_iys4udv wrote
I lived in NYC for 12 years, you get a better idea of the safety when you live there compared to just visiting. There’s definitely been more consistent attacks on the subways there compared to attacks on the trains here. Of course personal experience varies but overall NYC subways are more dangerous.
Accomplished-Low-173 t1_iysamy2 wrote
Where did you live? I lived in Bed Stuy (not the gentrified Bed Stuy, but near Broadway Junction Bed Stuy) and the trains are much safer in NYC. Even in Brownsville and in the worst areas of the Bronx
Raecino t1_iysh96p wrote
Doubt that. I lived in Astoria Queens and East Harlem. I worked as a realtor so I took the trains to every part of the city almost every single day. Not only were fights more common on New York trains but incidents where mentally ill people randomly attacked others is more common there. I knew coworkers who were attacked (one was stabbed trying to intervene when a mentally ill man attacked a pregnant woman), my cousin was beat over the head with a pipe on a train in queens, I’ve gotten into a fight myself there as well among many other examples I could give personally and what’s been on the news. It’s just not true that the trains are more dangerous in Philly.
Accomplished-Low-173 t1_iysjqp4 wrote
Well ok, 125th st Lexington av is probably the absolute worst station in NYC. But Queens? Even Jamaica Center (which is most likely the most “sketch” station in Queens) is MUCH nicer than City Hall. Idk bro. You might have been unlucky. I mean Astoria? Can’t get safer than that neighborhood, including the Subway
Accomplished-Low-173 t1_iys9l2n wrote
Right, but cmon. Compare the el and BSL to any line in New York. Our trains are much more sketch, it’s not even comparable. Even if you take the train to the Bronx, it’s just feels much more civilized. The mta is huge compared to septa, you have to consider rates
Raecino t1_iysgh3a wrote
I’m talking less of how it feels and the actual attacks that have taken place on New York trains
lemming-leader12 t1_iyukf9g wrote
Bro I moved from Philly to NYC. In Philly I never used the trains because they hardly got you anywhere and they were sketchy as fuck.
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