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picklefluffer t1_j32ya10 wrote

From a friend of mine who is a nurse when asked if they’re going to strike:

> A bunch of NYP hospitals including mine (Columbia) have voted yes to striking, but that doesn’t mean we will actually strike. But if management doesn’t give us what we’re asking for, then we will strike.

> We’re asking for better pay, better staffing, to keep our health benefits, etc etc

> It’s insane because NYP execs each get millions per year like 10+ million in salary and they’re “penny pinching” nurses. Not giving us enough raises based on inflation

They are preparing to strike but hopefully hospital administrators agree to the terms beforehand so the strike is avoided

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D_Ashido t1_j33jh09 wrote

It is a shame that it always has to come to this in order to get a better quality of life.

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Key-Recognition-7190 t1_j34cent wrote

Wish you the best. Recently had my Son admitted to the NICU at Cornell and you were all amazing. Stressed but amazing you deserve this.

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mahabraja t1_j34iiho wrote

Strike. Do it. Hospital administrators ate fucni g garbage. They are pinching from every employee they called a hero. They are pinching from every employee they sent ad sacrifice to covid when they said they didn't need masks. Fuck hospital admin. Strike, maybe everyone in Healthcare will benefit.

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andrewhsedd t1_j34yjyy wrote

I really do agree with this. NYU and other hospitals not participating and unionized will benefit from this and I hope this really changes things

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czapatka t1_j35moqk wrote

Mortality rates at hospitals increase nearly 20% when nurses strike. I hope they reach an agreement before then.

https://www.nber.org/digest/jul10/evidence-effects-nurses-strikes

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czapatka t1_j36icls wrote

Fortunately for you, surgeons are well trained. I’d be more concerned for older patients with acute symptoms and for those with planned procedures. You’ll be okay!

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aguafiestas t1_j3aiz1b wrote

If it is an elective procedure, it will almost certainly be postponed if there is a strike.

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jenryalee t1_j3mapzu wrote

Mortality also goes up when nurses have a 1:20 ratio, which happens all day every day now.

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marcsmart t1_j34n502 wrote

I’ve been on my soapbox in this subreddit regarding this issue so I’ll keep it brief. If it comes down to the strike it will be a brutal time for everyone. I’m in a hospital that isn’t striking so this diversion stuff is going to send everyone to the remaining hospitals and we are going to be drowning in patients. I hope the negotiations go through and they give the nurses what they deserve.

That aside nurses are striking so they can have more means to provide better care for YOU. We can’t do ratios of 1 nurse to 10-15-20 patients any more. We can’t have 1:3 in the ICU. NYC has incredible hardworking nurses that are used to working at 200% capacity every shift for 12 hours straight. But it’s unsustainable and inhumane. You don’t want to be one patient among a dozen per one nurse. Management won’t give the staffing and won’t honor agreed upon ratios. That’s one of the biggest fights in the negotiations right now.

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Bankzzz t1_j35ke8e wrote

As someone who is not a healthcare worker, I am extremely concerned about healthcare workers ability to provide healthcare when they’re being stretched so thin. I know how hard it is in my role to be short staffed so I can’t even imagine how hard it must be for the people in ERs and hospitals. I would really prefer that people are able to get adequate rest and benefits for themselves but also so fatal mistakes don’t happen to patients as well. I hope they give the employees what they need because this is ridiculous. At what point is enough enough? People, in general, can’t keep “sprinting” throughout their entire employment - we don’t even know if we’ll ever be able to retire - so people really need to be given the opportunity to also rest. I don’t get it.

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Dan_Dead_Or_Alive t1_j33nemx wrote

The lawsuits from this stunt / lack of care for patients will surely be cheaper than paying your nurses a fair wage.

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dell_qon t1_j35d477 wrote

I'm an NYP nurse and our unit voted no to the "Tentative Agreement" contract and we are all willing to strike. The employee "grid" which determines how staffing gets distributed is being blatantly ignored. We are beyond short staffed and we are still working with shortages in PPE. We are working next to 'agency' nurses who are getting paid 75% more than us while not having as many tasks.

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Bean-blankets t1_j3akhfh wrote

The travel nurses also never have any clue what's going on with patients and make many more errors than the staff nurses

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LaszloBat t1_j35jbq3 wrote

I just spent a week in NYP and it was, again, a miserable experience. I say again because I also spent a week there in October after a hit and run incident almost ended my life. Both times the hospitals were severely understaffed. Both times the nurses worked their asses off. Both times some nurses were great and others were terrible. I can’t help but think I might be terrible too after what they’ve all just been through with Covid, then continue to be nickel-and-dimed relentlessly by the overpaid powers that be.

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nahaljaan93 t1_j35r77p wrote

Hospital Admins really playing Russian roulette with ppl’s lives not to properly compensate the very people tending to the patients’ well being just for the sake of profits and their precious bonuses. Get ‘em, nurses! Strike on!

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Turbulent_Bathroom86 t1_j37xzhz wrote

Taking away nurses benefits and expecting them to be okay with it is the stupidest thing I have heard. The workers have the power because they make value especially in healthcare. These greedy hospital leadership teams have to be destroyed off the face of the Earth.

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cranberryskittle t1_j34u5tv wrote

Nurses are worth their weight in gold. I hope all of their demands are granted. Fucking hospital administrators.

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LVucci t1_j35ej1r wrote

Strike! These greedy execs (who just bureaucrat all day) are all bringing in salaries that are over $200k but continue to be cheap with the people who actually do work.

It sucks they’re trying to guilt trip nurses into taking care of patients, but unfortunately striking is the only way to create change.

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EvanMcD3 t1_j32tnt1 wrote

I'm so glad I'm living in the USA./s

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jjd13001 t1_j377obk wrote

Nurses are the backbone of hospitals, the stories of things I’ve heard my friends who are nurses have to do I couldn’t even imagine doing in a hundred years. Give them all the money

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Realistic-Work-419 t1_j397590 wrote

Is this just about higher wages and opening up additional roles? I don’t know why that is so much to ask in light of some of the stratospheric comp upper management is said to receive.

Such a simple view though makes me question whether there is just more to it. I have to believe those at the negotiating table are reasonable people. What needs to happen here?

It’s awful to imagine what a strike will result in and I’m really hoping this will all get resolved soon.

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Radun t1_j370qq7 wrote

i hope they do strike, nurses deserve way more then what they get now, and hospital admins can careless and really greedy

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imlilyhi t1_j35f7i3 wrote

I get the impression that nurses make a lot of money…is this incorrect?

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Atuk-77 t1_j35g6pf wrote

No they don’t!

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imlilyhi t1_j35gbdn wrote

What is the median salary of a nurse in nyc of you don’t mind me asking?

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Atuk-77 t1_j35nexp wrote

Is about 79k, may sound high but is not enough to afford a 1 bedroom apartment in the city, while administrators receive compensation as high as 10 million annually.

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Shortthelongs t1_j38jzck wrote

It's $87k now, which using the 1/3 income rule gets you a $2400/month apartment.

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Atuk-77 t1_j38n9t7 wrote

And that’s the max recommended for rent, a studio starts at $2400 if you are lucky to find it

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Shortthelongs t1_j396xop wrote

Are we talking Manhattan only for some reason?

Plenty of normal 1 bd apts in normal parts of the boros for that price.

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betterworld360 t1_j3zfjlo wrote

NYC studio doesn't start at $2400 lol. I also have seen in Hells Kitchen a 1 bedroom start at $1700.

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twelvydubs t1_j38x7l2 wrote

You will not be approved for a $2400/month apartment if you are only making $87k here.

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imlilyhi t1_j39oe08 wrote

Well shit I guess most people in nyc might as well be homeless if that’s the case.

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meantnothingatall t1_j3capfz wrote

Starting salary at a crappy city hospital is 80Kish. That's starting, no differential or extras included in that rate, plus a pension. Truly garbage pay is usually at places like nursing homes.

I know hospitals like Mount Sinai are so cheap. I'm in healthcare, not nursing, and I applied for a job there once as a per diem. When I told them my desired rate for a job with no benefits, they told me it was "really high." I knew that wasn't true because I had already worked in the field for years. But my god it was the type of position you don't want to play around with in terms of hiring and they were taken aback by a very reasonable ask.

The bigger issue is definitely burnout. My sibling is an RN in a crazy ED and she has a RIDICULOUS amount of patients at times. She deals with all kinds of people, is threatened regularly, etc. Even with that, she said if it wasn't that short it wouldn't be so horrible. And the contract nurses she said are a BIG hit or miss. She's literally had some traveler nurses show up and do almost nothing for 3x the pay.

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Atuk-77 t1_j3dhbir wrote

The finance bros in Wall Street also have a burnout problem but at least they are getting compensated for it, imagine working overtime just to afford rent!

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meantnothingatall t1_j3dl53h wrote

That's not really true. I don't know why people are such sticklers for using Manhattan as the basis of affordability. My sister almost never works OT and lives very comfortably on her income. She works three days per week. She has her own one bedroom apartment. She lives in a good location (not Manhattan) that's very close to the train.

At my place, the nurses only work OT when they are short nurses.

People would say the same thing in my field (also healthcare, not as well-paid as nurses.) I used to work lots of OT and had second jobs. This was just for the extra money that I put to good use.

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ThreeLittlePuigs t1_j33nsmn wrote

So where are all the folks the Mayor said would be compelled to go to these hospitals going to go? Oh right, it was always a sham policy with nowhere to actually put folks.

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Twovaultss t1_j350wg8 wrote

Uhhh. That’s ultimately what they’re asking for: end the hiring freezes and hire more staff. I personally am happy with how much I make but better staffing to feel safe with my license and my patients lives is invaluable.

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ThreeLittlePuigs t1_j35amdp wrote

Staff doesn't equal beds. I am not saying that they shouldn't strike or get better conditions. I'm pointing out the mayors "just send edp's to hospital phsych units" plan isn't a reality.

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Moist-Department2012 t1_j32wsw1 wrote

Nurses will have blood on their hands very soon!

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pseudochef93 t1_j32xgf1 wrote

More like hospital administration and the people who run them. Greed took over the admins and all these nurses want is more compensation. Look at what Nurses have gone through over the last three years, an absolute life time of hell they thought they would never experience. And who got paid more? Front line nurses who pulled double shifts for weeks on end or the admin who stayed at home away from the sickness and mayhem?

Signed, someone who isn’t a nurse but is 100% behind them.

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Moist-Department2012 t1_j32xvpw wrote

Patients first

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Cascando-5273 t1_j332pv9 wrote

Patients are best served by nurses who are not stressed out and overworked. If hospital administrators create conditions which result in exhausted and burnt out nurses, who's really to blame?

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lkroa t1_j3338xp wrote

do you think these hospitals are putting the patients first?

one of these striking hospitals admits patients to the literally hallway. imagine you’re sick and you go to the hospital and they stick you in the hallway where you can’t get any rest or privacy because people are walking up and down the halls all day and night. this is not the emergency room either, this is the inpatient units. this has been an ongoing problem since at least 2016. how is appropriate for executives to be paying themselves millions, but allowing patients to be in the hallway for the better part of a decade instead of expanding actual beds.

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cmc t1_j335zmv wrote

Why is it "patients first" when nurses request fair compensation but not when hospital administrators pay themselves millions without even setting eyes on a patient? What makes them worth so much more when all they're doing is logistics?

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cmc t1_j336hi9 wrote

Ohhhh, a troll. Bless your heart.

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Moist-Department2012 t1_j3373gd wrote

Oh so I’m a “troll” because you don’t agree with my opinion. I can careless what you think, troll

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TranquilSeaOtter t1_j338xku wrote

You know the hospitals will not be left without nurses right? Travel nurses are a thing and will be hired to replace the staff as they strike. Do you understand this?

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Moist-Department2012 t1_j3396eo wrote

Good, hire the travel nurses full time then if the “real” ones go on strike

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Moist-Department2012 t1_j33et5b wrote

And if they DID hire me, I wouldn’t go on STRIKE

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TranquilSeaOtter t1_j33ja8a wrote

So you would accept getting paid like shit and overworked with far too many patients assigned to you than what is even remotely manageable? Why would you do that to your patients?

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Moist-Department2012 t1_j33ntos wrote

Sounds like you are scared to work hard

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TranquilSeaOtter t1_j33ons8 wrote

Sounds like you don't understand how the world works.

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Moist-Department2012 t1_j33oxus wrote

Sounds like you need to leave me alone!

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TranquilSeaOtter t1_j33phfr wrote

Not when you spout comments made from ignorance into the world. Do you think a patient to nurse ratio of 10:1 is reasonable and a nurse just needs to not be afraid of hard work to care for 10 patients?

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TrainlikeWayne t1_j35c70b wrote

Hospital administrators are putting lives at risks by not paying nurses what they’re worth and by not maintaining safe staffing. I used to work at one of the top hospitals in the country and holding in my pee and not being able to take a lunch break because of short staffing was a daily occurrence. You obviously have no clue what you’re talking about. Also, don’t call nurses lazy the administrators are both lazy and greedy.

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Moist-Department2012 t1_j33gq45 wrote

Any nurse that goes on strike should be immediately terminated

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cmc t1_j33iblh wrote

It's adorable to watch you try to rile me up. Enjoy the rest of your Thursday.

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Moist-Department2012 t1_j33iu1b wrote

w/e you say troll, I hope your nearest hospital has zero nurses, don’t slip and fall now …..

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coolwithstuff t1_j344f8q wrote

The truly intellectually pathetic reality of your position is that we are in a massive nursing labor crisis because the position isn’t compensated enough for the work.

Not supporting nurses trying to make their jobs better and more economically desirable is actually the thing that will lead to fewer and fewer of the nurses we as a society need.

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pseudochef93 t1_j32ya7p wrote

Well yes always but if a statement has to made to get the message across then so be it. I doubt this strike will last more than a day before a deal is reached.

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actualtext t1_j33cge5 wrote

What do you propose nurses do to have their needs met? What’s your solution?

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Moist-Department2012 t1_j33dfo0 wrote

Negotiate, WHILE TAKING CARE OF THE PATIENT, it’s called “multi tasking “

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actualtext t1_j33vhm6 wrote

And if the hospital continues to stonewall and not negotiate in good faith?

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Moist-Department2012 t1_j33vmx6 wrote

Then get a new career

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actualtext t1_j33wo2e wrote

So you're saying the nurses should stop working essentially? Kind of like they'd do in a strike?

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Moist-Department2012 t1_j33xkej wrote

No, I’m saying they should leave nursing completely and let those who care about the PATIENTS keep there jobs.

If they want to strike, go apply at Starbucks or Amazon!

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actualtext t1_j340rwv wrote

I definitely don't agree with this point of view. People shouldn't have to leave a profession simply because their employer doesn't want to meet or compromise on employee demands for real concerns and issues afflicting them.

Imo private unions should be completely be able to strike. Public unions I'm a bit conflicted on. I feel like employee rights and pay issues should be codified into law and should be given to all public employees.

But these aren't public employees, these are private employees and in your point of view it seems that the employer should have all say and that makes no sense to me. Completely tilts negotiating one way in favor of the employer. Why would it be OK for Starbucks or Amazon employees to strike but not nurses? Patients arent being impacted. Alternative arrangements are being made by the hospitals should they not reach an agreement. Other hospitals exist too. It's being handled as professionally as possible and they've been negotiating for a long time as well.

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lkroa t1_j34o3zy wrote

they’ve been attempting to negotiate for months with hospital administrators who haven’t been negotiating. what do you expect them to do? negotiate forever accomplishing nothing

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IGOMHN2 t1_j34uc4g wrote

Fuck patients - hospital executives

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LVucci t1_j35evsc wrote

Go be a nurse and take care of those patients since you want to act so high and mighty.

You’re bootlicking execs and they want people with mindsets like yours so they can continue to take advantage of you for pennies on the dollar.

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Atuk-77 t1_j37k944 wrote

And the administrator will keep their income in millions but let’s blame the nurse. No one owns you anything, why should they continue working when most nurses in NYC can not even afford a 1 bedroom apartment?

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Atuk-77 t1_j37kaa4 wrote

And the administrator will keep their income in millions but let’s blame the nurse. No one owns you anything, why should they continue working when most nurses in NYC can not even afford a 1 bedroom apartment?

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aguafiestas t1_j3aj9xu wrote

Probably will be a break from blood on their hands for a few days if they strike.

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