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poopship462 t1_iu61up5 wrote

Reply to comment by TeamMisha in CDC Issues Warning as New Data Shows Scope of Polio Spread in NYC Area by brooklynlad

This isn’t “the orthodox community,” it’s a small minority of ultra-orthodox that are spreading it. They’ve been targeted by antivaxxers for years specifically because they have poor science education and will fall for these things.

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Han-Shot_1st t1_iu6cjwq wrote

As a Jewish American, we need to do a better job of communicating to these regressive imbeciles. Frankly, it annoys me because it reflects shitty on all of us. For many New Yorkers their only exposure to Jewish ppl are these ultra orthodox loons.

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dagav t1_iu6k4hf wrote

Please do not use your Jewish identity to speak ill of other Jews in front of non-Jews

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putney t1_iu6lisy wrote

I call bullshit on this one. They are an embarrassment to Jews, and just because one is Jewish doesn't mean they should keep their mouths shut when people who have bastardized their religion are putting other people's lives at stake.

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dagav t1_iu6mmhl wrote

I'm not saying you shouldn't be critical of them. I'm saying that you shouldn't do so in front of non-Jews because it enables antisemitism. For example, what you said, "they are regressive imbeciles", would be extremely antisemitic if it was said by a non-Jew, because the context would be completely different. But now anti-semites can just point at you and say, "See, this guy gets it!' and be empowered to continue.

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putney t1_iu6uijo wrote

You sound like my dad. It was fine to eat pork and share pork with other Jews, he said, but not to let anyone non Jewish know that you ate pork. It’s a truly absurd theory.

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dagav t1_iu6vetn wrote

From my understanding your dad had it backwards. Obviously eating pork is not "fine" for a Jew because it's not kosher. And a Jew definitely cannot share pork with another Jew for the same reason. Regarding telling non-Jews they ate pork, I haven't heard any problem with that. However, I think there may be a problem with telling Jews they ate pork because that Jew may then think it was kosher. So your dad's theory sounds absurd because it was incorrect.

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putney t1_iu6wxf6 wrote

No, my dad’s theory is exactly your theory. Bring an uneducated moron = pork

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dagav t1_iu6ybyx wrote

> No, my dad’s theory is exactly your theory

Your dad's theory is the exact opposite of what I said, just read what I wrote again.

> Bring an uneducated moron = pork

What?

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bherm100 t1_iu6o6u8 wrote

Who cares what racist assholes think? Not me. I care about being grouped in with primative losers because I'm not one. These assholes are ruining Judaism for the rest of us. I want Jews to be associated with Einstein. Not some jackass with a year 1 ideology about burning bushes and cave man shit

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dagav t1_iu6p18s wrote

You are trashing your tribesmen of 4000 years for some social credit with anti-semites who in the final analysis will group you in with them anyway. Is it worth it? In 2000 years of antisemitism was it ever worth it?

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bherm100 t1_iu6p5i3 wrote

Fuck your primitive tribal bs.

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dagav t1_iu6pqu7 wrote

I'm talking about the 12 Tribes of Israel. It's not primitive, it's an aspect of being Jewish.

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bherm100 t1_iu6pur8 wrote

No. You're a primative. You do not represent modern Jews. You're not chosen by god either. Fuck off with that. I dont have any tribe. I'm living in 2022.

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dagav t1_iu6sihp wrote

I'm sorry you feel that way.

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bherm100 t1_iu6sp13 wrote

Just stop claiming Judaism. You're not a jew. You're the Taliban equivalent.

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dagav t1_iu6zfny wrote

I'm a modern Jew. Why do you get to decide who is and who isn't a Jew?

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bherm100 t1_iu6ntsw wrote

Jew here. Fuck these scumbags.

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dagav t1_iu6phzn wrote

I'm wondering what kind of authority you think "Jew here" gives you. All it does it whitewash these sentiments for anti-semites.

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bherm100 t1_iu6pnwq wrote

It means that "Jewish identity" being some sort of monolith is hilariously dumb bullshit.

This guy doesn't speak for me or any other Jew. Fuck outa here with that garbage. Tribalism is for racists.

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dagav t1_iu6xws8 wrote

If you reject the Jewish identity then why do you say "Jew here"? What does it mean to be a Jew exactly?

And how can you tell me I don't speak for any other Jews when that's precisely what you are doing when you say, "This guy doesn't speak for any other Jew"?

And why does your Jew card overrule mine? Not that I've even played mine, but I'm a Jew too. What gives you the right to say "Jew here" and try and overrule anything I might say about the Jewish identity, as if my opinion doesn't matter?

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Han-Shot_1st t1_iu6zgz7 wrote

And do you think all groups should engage in this kind of behavior? Run that thought experiment. What would the world be like?

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Han-Shot_1st t1_iu70oo3 wrote

If you’re worried about antisemitism, I got news for you, Jewish communities spreading polio will certainly not help. I do worry about rising antisemitism and that’s why I’m upset with these loons and their regressive dogmatic belief in Bronze Age voodoo. Since they are very visibly Jewish (their garb) their antics reflect on the rest of us.

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dagav t1_iu71hmz wrote

I happen to find blaming Jews for antisemitism to be in very poor taste. And Judaism is not "Bronze Age voodoo", it's the foundation of Western civilization.

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dagav t1_iu6mrp8 wrote

The Taliban? Are you serious? Do you have any idea how bad the Taliban are? What's the worst thing the Orthodox Jews ever did, not vaccinate their kids?

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Ilovemytowm t1_iu6qwt3 wrote

Are you kidding me what's the worst thing they did let's start with treating women like they are breeding machines who don't deserve an education or a career or a life other than birthing babies. You really need to stop this nonsense. It's embarrassing.

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dagav t1_iu6rkj3 wrote

Judaism is exceptionally pro-women. The overwhelming majority of Orthodox Jewish women want to have a lot of kids, they want to be mothers, they don't want to have a career. They think it's their mission from God to have lots of children. What's the problem? Go to any orthodox Jewish woman in Brooklyn and ask her if she's happy and I guarantee you the answer will be a resounding "Yes".

> It's embarrassing.

I'm not embarrassed. Just pointing out that most people here have no idea what they're talking about.

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Ilovemytowm t1_iu701v1 wrote

Jesus .. just stop. I know what I am talking about. You...are like the bagdad Bob of the zealots.

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dagav t1_iu70pwl wrote

What, I'm not allowed to argue?

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Han-Shot_1st t1_iu6zsdm wrote

They are both religious fundamentalist. The biggest difference is, as Jews we don’t believe in proselytizing, but both groups have a dogmatic adherence to Bronze Age books of “revelation.

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dagav t1_iu6qrz8 wrote

Bro, it's OK to admit when you don't know something. You don't have to pretend you're right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_Afghanistan#Taliban

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#Condemned_practices

This is not even the HALF of it because there isn't good reporting in Afghanistan. Go do your own research if you want to know more. The Taliban kill, torture, rape, and mutilate men, women, children, and the elderly. If this is just "an ultra conservative sect" then I'd hate to see what your definition of "moderate" is. I'm not even going to validate your comparison with a counterargument.

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dagav t1_iu6snlt wrote

So when I point out how extremely wrong you are, instead of taking a moment to reflect and think, "Man, am I just talking out of my ass?", you double down? Have you considered that you don't know what you're talking about?

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dagav t1_iu6unwm wrote

I would explain the difference if I thought there was any hope of you understanding it. What you are saying is so divorced from reality that I am now extremely suspicious of your motivation to draw a line between Orthodox Jews and the fucking Taliban.

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_Maxolotl t1_iu677ci wrote

OK, then, here's a rewrite of the previous comment:

Thank you orthodox community for stubbornly insisting on not teaching your kids science, thereby making them vulnerable to being duped by antivaxxers.

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dagav t1_iu6w6p2 wrote

Where in the article does it say anything about Jews?

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shotpun t1_iu6k6yv wrote

they should educate their kids. torah is about critical thinking and making your own interpretation of what you read

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dagav t1_iu6w6cn wrote

Where in the article does it say anything about Jews?

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