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bonyponyride t1_j62ruts wrote

The article says the girl had only sprayed an excessive amount in her room, and doesn't mention her huffing it. I can't imagine how much would have to be sprayed in a room to create a deadly concentration of deodorant propellant. Is that possible, or are the parents presenting it that way for a future lawsuit?

The article also mentions the girl was autistic, and this is really tragic, so against my initial instinct, I will not make any axe puns. And now I've ruined the opportunity for everyone else.

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sirboddingtons t1_j63fy3e wrote

This happened with a can of febreeze to our school nurse's child in elementary. Her daughter who was round 5 at the time decided to freshen up the room for company and did as she always had seen her mother, spray the can, but instead she unloaded the can, completely emptied it into their small dining room. She went unconscious and then required life support for several weeks.

Permanent brain damage to the point of essentially functioning as a child for the rest of her life.

Story scared the crap out of little 2nd grade me about aerosol cans.

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GoochMasterFlash t1_j63un95 wrote

Makes me wish spray deodorant was banned in schools. I remember a major part of middle school gym class was people getting into axe spray fights in the lockers. You couldnt breathe in there with two or three people spraying them at each other

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letmestandalone t1_j63ygus wrote

In high school I was in a music practice room with a small group and someone threw a can of axe in the room which had been stuck open with a straw or something. They then immediately shut the door and jammed it shut, which wasn’t hard because there were so many chairs in the hall as it was being used to store the excess practice chairs. We were desperate to get out. I’m not asthmatic but I am allergic to most perfumes, and axe is one of the worst. I had to be sent home because I was throwing up and struggling to breathe. We didn’t see who threw the can in and the school never followed up, but they could have killed someone, maybe even me, doing that. I’m still kinda furious someone didn’t get suspended over that.

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TheCh0rt t1_j64e7zd wrote

I would have been more worried about the hordes of beautiful, highly aroused women chasing after you like a pack of starving wolves.

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mrsc1880 t1_j65ujxp wrote

Honestly, I would've been there. I was a sucker for an overly scented boy.

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MoldyLunchBoxxy t1_j642cp9 wrote

Yep. I wonder if I have any damage done from all of the spray people used to use in the locker rooms.

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JBreezy11 t1_j65puto wrote

Yay, more adds to my fear list, as my son is about to go to K-12 soon.

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Mid-CenturyBoy t1_j6ea2tr wrote

If anything has this ability it should absolutely be banned outright. That’s Mother Nature telling us to figure something else out.

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braiinfried t1_j640lsl wrote

Makes me wonder if I have brain damage the boys locker room air in hs was either swamp ass or axe no In Between

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groveborn t1_j63zxw8 wrote

I've been noticing a trend of eliminating compressed cans lately... I wonder if someone finally decided to care a bit about the consequences.

I really like my fabreeze spray bottle,

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NPVT t1_j64ljl7 wrote

Not to mention that stuff has chemicals known to cause cancer.

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cateml t1_j68d5hc wrote

Oh god that is heartbreaking.

And yes to add - I remember hearing over the years cautionary tales about similar to the story posted.
It seems excessive, but you’ve got to keep in mind what kids of that age are like - may be very self conscious about their bodies, may be very worried about the idea of someone saying they smell or of it being used as ammunition by bullies, and well not take caution in ways that adults would automatically. I seem to remember in the story I heard it mentioning a boy who may have had OCD, so factoring that in as well.

Normally the room will still be ventilated enough and they would cough or feel woozy and eventually stop. But you just need the wrong set of factors occurring together to risk it ending tragically.

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tronaldmcdump t1_j63mfiy wrote

Did the daughter get brain damage or the nurse?

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sirboddingtons t1_j63sra6 wrote

Sorry if that wasn't clear. Obviously the nurses daughter! I'd be quite terrified if our school nurse had the mental functionality of a child providing nursing to children! Haha

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tronaldmcdump t1_j63tlty wrote

It was clear but then I re-read the first line and I was like wait a second do I have all the facts here?

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ReverendSupreme t1_j62sy8g wrote

My brother is autistic and he sprays an excessive amount of deodorant on himself before he goes out as he doesn't know the appropriate amount to spray. I could easily see this being a genuine accident given a small enough room. Poor girl

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bonyponyride t1_j62t9qj wrote

The father mentions it was the mother's deodorant, and the girl sprayed it on her blankets because it gave her comfort. Maybe she went under her blanket and sprayed an excessive amount, creating a toxic environment.

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Formergr t1_j63h2lo wrote

> the girl sprayed it on her blankets because it gave her comfort.

Ugggggh that’s really sad given how it turned out.

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wart_on_satans_dick t1_j647dw4 wrote

This sounds more plausible than from spraying it in the open air. I would not have guessed it could incubate a lethal amount if true, but it just goes to show how dangerous some ordinary household products are. This is very sad.

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Blenderx06 t1_j62usgz wrote

You can't really smell yourself so it's easy to put on too much. I made it a rule that I'll only do 2-3 sprays of my perfume so I never go overboard. He could make a rule of counting to 2 or something for however long he might spray, with your help to decide how much is just right?

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HardlyDecent t1_j63fgt9 wrote

For the record, we 100% can smell ourselves, especially if it's something added to our natural musk. The rule of perfume, if you're unclear, to use is always as little as possible, period. It's not to mask your scent.

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Available-Camera8691 t1_j63mlfu wrote

I bought a bottle of cologne and just look at it. That's how little I use.

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HardlyDecent t1_j64dw8r wrote

This is the way. Similarly with Vermouth bottles.

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Kagrok t1_j65jz1u wrote

Maritni's used to be a 3:1 ratio of spirit to vermouth.

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HardlyDecent t1_j697thq wrote

Crazy huh? Today we've learned to whisper sweetly to the ice cold gin that somewhere in the dark closet is a bottle of vermouth. Then we strain our delightful Martini into a frosty glass and chuckle to it that there are people who put vodka of all things in Martini glasses! What a world!

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sawyouoverthere t1_j67lxn8 wrote

“Nose blindness” is a thing though, and more what this person is talking about: when the olfactory receptors no longer indicate an odour they have been exposed to for a while

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Odd-Cartoonist-288 t1_j62s920 wrote

Recently a bunch of companies including Axe (I believe) had to recall products for lethal levels of poisonous compounds in body sprays.

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art-love-social t1_j635q3c wrote

That was because of benzene a known carcinogenic substance.

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joeyicecream t1_j63o7k7 wrote

4 dollars a gallon and I could just run my car on Axe Body Spray TM

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Neoxyte t1_j64fia7 wrote

Yeah there was a class action lawsuit for it. They offered me 10$ lol I didn't bother.

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Odd-Cartoonist-288 t1_j64hj2t wrote

Jesus Christ, I swear to god these class action lawsuits are so pointless on so many levels. All they usually are is a small fine for these companies. Lately they have just been trying to transfer the debt to another company and declare bankruptcy.

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sluttttt t1_j651qxt wrote

I worked for Rite Aid and there was some lawsuit regarding unpaid overtime. I probably had been out of there for a decade when I got a check for like $5 in the mail. I wonder if those who were actually affected by the issue got the same--which I'm sure was not enough.

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JoshM-R t1_j6d2nez wrote

Get your money back with the stock. It's beaten down. It's my main holding rn.

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caseyyp t1_j639tyf wrote

Some dumb kids were spraying dry shampoo in each other's faces and almost killed a girl with a corn allergy because it had corn starch in it at the MS I worked at. These spray cans should not be sold to kids or left with them! So tragic.

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throwawayaccyaboi223 t1_j63t42l wrote

Pretty sure they're 16+ in Europe (as with aerosols, or strong adhesives). Might even be 18+ in some countries.

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Sensate60 t1_j63dtjp wrote

Sounds like she just sprayed it everywhere like an air frshner spray. Even hairspray, you have to be careful not to breathe that crap in.

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noiamholmstar t1_j64maxn wrote

I’ve been trying for years to get my wife to stop using aerosol hair spray. After reading this article I’m honestly surprised she hasn’t died with how much she uses….

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Sensate60 t1_j64mtp3 wrote

Yep, you're better off with a mist spray than aerosol. I remember years ago an old article about the Hazzard to one's lungs breathing in hairspray designed to cement your hair in place.

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sluttttt t1_j651cbd wrote

How did any teenage girl survive the 80s. I wonder if this kind of thing happened back then.

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Sensate60 t1_j651nvm wrote

I am sure lots got cancer... oh wells...

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dog_eat_god t1_j666yu7 wrote

Pretty sure that would have been confirmed by data if it was true. Not like 80's girls are all long ago dead from old age.

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Good-Duck t1_j66cf2p wrote

My great aunt died of lung cancer and the doctors believed her using copious amounts of hair spray may have been a factor. One with glitter in it blew up around her and she ended up breathing it in while trying to get out of the bathroom.

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Plantsandanger t1_j62y573 wrote

My guess is she may have had an asthmatic reaction that resulted in reduced lung capacity and passed out. Falling from standing can be lethal. She may have had a cardiac event due to inhaling so much deodorant spray, especially if it was impacting her breathing and she was feaking out/having a pain attach.

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PickReviewsMovies t1_j65i0uo wrote

My brother is autistic and for whatever reason he has always been really into cologne and body sprays. He is 40 now, a bit older than me and understands restraint a bit but if left unchecked I could see him absolutely doing something like this. He's generally very health conscious, though. Sometimes my parents would make him get rid of his excess clothes would go rescue them from the garbage secretly and hide them somewhere until they got mildewy, but after we explained to him that mold can make you sick, he started finding more creative ways to hide stuff my parents tried to make him get rid of.

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MMcDeer t1_j660t4v wrote

Per NYPost

Authorities found 42 empty aerosol cans of deodorant, hairspray and other products in the room (https://nypost.com/2023/01/26/derby-girl-14-dies-after-accidentally-breathing-in-aerosol-deodorant/?dicbo=v2-a4ba165211182bfb2160fafc4ecf1644)

That's a lot!. Wow. Who knows how much was sprayed but it must have been a very excessive amount.

Edit: the 42 cans was for a different case of someone who died. Unclear for this instance.

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chasingbluejays t1_j6b1niz wrote

It wasn’t the girl who had 42 empty cans; the 42 aerosol cans refers to another teen who died of similar circumstances.

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Aerik t1_j6386o7 wrote

>Giorgia was autistic and her father said she liked to spray deodorant on blankets as she found the smell comforting.

>"The smell of it gave her a certain sense of relaxation," said Mr Green.

>"If she was feeling in any way a little bit anxious, she would spray this spray and it would give her a sense of comfort because it's a deodorant my wife used."

This sounds like the dad rationalizing it to himself. Did he witness her spraying it over the bed? Maybe not. Maybe he just listened to an explanation of the scent when he was doing laundry. Maybe, she had learned to hot-box under the blanket. Was it just a teenager getting high? Was her explanation honest and that's just the way she was actually doing it? Who knows?

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caseyyp t1_j63aiec wrote

She also may not have known that's why she liked it if she had austism.

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reflUX_cAtalyst t1_j63ubop wrote

> Is that possible

If she stood there and sprayed and entire can in a cupboard, it might make you sick.

Spraying a can in a room will NOT kill you. The parents are lying - she was huffing it. It's impossible otherwise.

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almosttape t1_j640wrv wrote

Considering spray deodorant is apparently deadly.. It’s amazing any middle school football players ever made it to adulthood.

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TheBoobieWatcher_ t1_j64zv6m wrote

I remember clouds of Axe body spray in the men's locker rooms

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ebagdrofk t1_j6546u5 wrote

I remember people taping the spray button down and throwing it in locker rooms like it was a gas grenade

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gheebutersnaps87 t1_j66g63m wrote

This just gave me war flashbacks

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ironically-spiders t1_j6ar2in wrote

Not even a dude, but I VERY distinctly remember the cloud that emanated out. That side of the gym was avoided, even by the PE teachers.

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Caftancatfan t1_j667dye wrote

I used to be a substitute teacher, and this one time, a boy’s axe spray leaked into his whole backpack. I assume my dna was altered and I might develop an eleventh finger in my old age.

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Lazerspewpew t1_j6744g1 wrote

Inhaling Body Spray + the CTE from football = Aaron Hernandez brain

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gravescd t1_j65g10d wrote

There was a guy down the hall from me my freshman year of college who would huff Axe to get high, in addition to smoking weed. I was in his room one time and saw a blackened little oblong thing in his weed pipe. He had tried to smoke a Tylenol.

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Faustkatt t1_j63pt42 wrote

Maybe cynical of me but complaining the warnings aren't big enough really sounds like they just want to feel like it wasn't their fault because they didn't think to read it, or didn't follow it, and now wish they had been forced to.

I don't think we miss warnings because they're small. We know they're there. Just about anything has them, from sprays to toys to batteries to food. What doesn't have a warning on it is probably a shorter list than what does.

We ignore them because we're inundated with them. They're background noise. We have to make a conscious choice to stop ignoring them when we are in a situation that they matter.

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Mississimia t1_j68btxd wrote

I mean, its true. We're inundated with warnings. But honestly, who would let "keep out of reach of children" stop them from giving deodorant to their (stinky) teen?

The parents want to believe the only way this tragedy could have been stopped is if the manufacturer had been more responsible. But the best chance to stop this tragedy was not by avoiding giving the deodorant to her in the first place, but by taking it away from her when it became clear she wasn't using it safely and appropriately.

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ironically-spiders t1_j6bci1q wrote

Yes to both you and the person you responded to. They put the appropriate warning on there and you assume people are going to use a product even remotely close to how you're supposed to. If you drink an entire bag of coffee in one sitting, it's not the coffee maker's fault when you have a heart attack as a result.

It's a tragedy, but it's not the fault of the deodorant maker. Aerosols should not be inhaled in great amounts. At all. They knew she wasn't doing a quick spritz, it's their responsibility to keep her safe when she can't make that kind of decision on her own.

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kitsune t1_j67zrwz wrote

Yeah, now please tell me how you go about identifying the situations where they matter.

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Faustkatt t1_j68530q wrote

I mean you would probably intuit that if you have a food allergy you might want to pay attention to the warnings on food. That if you were giving a toy to a young child you may want to check for small separate parts that pose a choking risk, including button batteries. I doubt you'd let children handle sprays of any kind without at the very least checking what happens if it gets in their eyes. If you're cleaning a room that can't be well ventilated it might be a good time to see just what you're in for if you breathe in the fumes coming off the cleaning products. et cetera, et cetera.

This stuff is mostly common sense. People are just fallible, they get complacent, especially with something that could be dangerous under the wrong circumstances but is also an everyday thing people use all the time without issues.

In this case, I fully expect their proposed change would be pretty useless. A big sign saying 'solvent use can kill instantly' doesn't even give you any additional unsafe behaviour to avoid—unless you're expected to stop using deodorant entirely, thinking you may at any point and under any circumstances drop dead. Realistically people will not stop, it'll just be one more line after the long paragraph of warnings already on that product, and people will still occasionally miss their cue to go back and re-read the warnings.

I'd speculate that if this is disproportionately an issue then a public awareness campaign probably has more staying power in our minds, and might give people a stronger indication when it comes up that they should go back and read the warnings. But even then, you probably have to be careful not to saturate people with them. If you see one for every case of a thing sometimes but not usually lethal, those might end up background noise too.

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SlimChiply t1_j62wmkm wrote

Although it's an important article, it should be known that the girl passed away of May of last year

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kobeyoboy t1_j63ckyx wrote

Thanks for sharing. And bringing this to my attention.

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mootymoots t1_j636goi wrote

Why does the date matter?

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deluxebee t1_j650sci wrote

A young boy died from excessive use of spray deodorant years ago. Had to Google it. Daniel Hurley, 12, 2008. Says also from Derbyshire.

Oh geez, it’s also in the article OP posted. Leaving this here for folks who aren’t gonna read the article.

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ZeroAfro t1_j6497y3 wrote

I feel for the parents but this is on them. They knew she sprayed it all over her room because she liked the smell but still enabled her do it. You could plaster warnings all over the bottle AND make people sigh a waiver before being able to buy it and this would still happen.

Common sense tells you not to do it or to let someone else do it and the bottle itself warns you.

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TheIncontrovert t1_j64fw7q wrote

Worse still the dad called for more labeling on products as "The awareness isn't there yet" There are fucktons of labeling on products. Do they need them to be more specific?

"Do not leave this product unattended with a child that uses it to soothe anxiety and is unlikely to understand the dangers of too much aerosol in a closed environment"

Don't think they could fit that on the tin. Even if they did, the next idiot parent would say "It's too small"

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ZeroAfro t1_j64g3tk wrote

My guess is they don't wanna blame themselves so they are looking to blame others and are convinced they wouldn't have made this mistake if only X was done.

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ironically-spiders t1_j6ev7wl wrote

Which is just stupid! Regardless, it is their fault for allowing her to have unsupervised access to it if she can't regulate the use appropriately, autistic or not. Instructions and warnings are there. If you choose to not read them, it's on you when something bad as warned would happen. It sucks, but that's the truth.

You let your kid, who even under the best neurotypical high intelligence cases is still a minor without a fully developed brain, do something they shouldn't, the guardian is at fault. If a toddler is left outside by a pool unsupervised, it's not the fault of the pool company when they fall in and drown; it's the parents'. If you let your kid have a bottle of tylenol and don't teach them the proper dosing and precautions and they accidentally OD, it's not Tylenol's fault, it's the parents'. It's unfortunate and it's unintentional, but it still falls on the parents when all the warnings and instructions are right there (or easily accessed). They could use this as a learning moment and spread that knowledge to more parents who are ignorant to it. Take a more active role, monitor your kids, teach them proper use of things, learn about the safety and safe use of things before handing them off to kids. Blaming the manufacturers doesn't solve anything.

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_Bob_A_Feet_ t1_j66wzmz wrote

If only more people paid attention to what’s in the things we buy and how a LOT of them can kill you if used improperly. It’s sad to see so many clueless folks off themselves in situations like this.

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Derpman2099 t1_j63raod wrote

reminds me of the episode of House where the dudes alien hand sysdrome was trying to tell him that his deodorant was killing him.

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WolfThick t1_j6403uk wrote

God damn I was hoping this wouldn't come back where I grew up in West Texas this was a big deal and the native American communities all the way up into New Mexico. Along with the straining Lysol through bread it was killing them because they made it a dry county. What's next gypsum weed.

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edingerc t1_j67lkjx wrote

This reminds me of a story I heard years ago about a teenager who huffed Scotchguard. Oxygen passes through the walls of the lungs into the blood stream. It's a bad idea to waterproof those walls... He didn't survive and went out like a fish on land.

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IPA___Fanatic t1_j6957hr wrote

The deodorant needs no further warnings. The daughter misused the cans, accident or not.

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WirelessBCupSupport t1_j68fw2x wrote

Title seems to imply the girl might have been huffing. Further investigation reveals "Autistic girl dies from access to over 40 cans of aerosol deodorants", Kinda want to look at the girl's parents for not being diligent on access to so much, and why the father makes it like its the deodorant's fault. Now, they no longer have their daughter.

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chasingbluejays t1_j6b1rzm wrote

The 40 cans of aerosol deodorants belonged to another teen that died under similar circumstances. Either way these deaths could have been prevented. :(

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christophlc6 t1_j63xwlq wrote

Here to start the distasteful "death by axe" pun thread

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almosttape t1_j640jam wrote

I believe they call it Lynx over there.

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_Bob_A_Feet_ t1_j66x7jq wrote

I just call it a violation of the Geneva Convention.

If Germany deployed AXE on the front lines in WW1 we would all be speaking German right now.

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