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EcstaticRaisin959 t1_j0ichsc wrote

Reply to comment by PlayfulParamedic2626 in Chinese doctors and nurses reportedly told to work while infected as Covid surges by Neo2199

But you see when we do something it's because of freedom, when China does it it's because they are very very bad

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WickedDemiurge t1_j0j0bg8 wrote

The thing that is startling to many is the sheer hypocrisy of this after China has been using torture-like lockdowns to fight COVID on one hand, and then cavalierly infecting people by having contagious health care workers spread the infection on the other. The US has been fairly consistent in the last year with a "we have a vaccine that works very well, so please get it," policy, by comparison.

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Only a month ago ten people died in a fire, exacerbated due to COVID restrictions, and Chinese officials commented, “Some residents’ ability to rescue themselves was too weak … and they failed to escape.”

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China is an extreme authoritarian state that has mishandled COVID extensively. They don't need your defense.

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supaloopar t1_j0j6jrd wrote

Zero Covid was designed with the assumption all countries would practise quarantined to snuff out the disease in unison. You know, the same practises being advocated by the advanced nations when poor countries have outbreaks?

Well, that underlying assumptions was false.

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WickedDemiurge t1_j0j89z0 wrote

If China was on the dark side of the moon and had design their policy without communication with other humans, this would be a defense, but it is not.

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China knows that almost all other nations have stopped lock-downs and quarantines a long time ago for three reasons:

a. they are incredibly disruptive to human quality of life

b. COVID has an absurdly high R0 and is very difficult to control from spreading

c. The mRNA vaccines are exceedingly effective at preventing severe disease

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China is also still doing weird things like practicing surface disinfection which has been shown to be more or less worthless as COVID does not reliably transmit through surfaces, but through airborne droplets.

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Their policy is arguably bad even in a vacuum, but obviously absurd when given what everyone else is doing. It's an open question if we could have stopped COVID from becoming endemic if we had rigorously enforced quarantine during the first few months, but that's been a complete impossibility for a long time now. I was in favor of very strict quarantine at the beginning, but policy needs to change with the times.

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A vaccination first strategy is the best path forward, along with general infectious disease control steps like mandatory paid sick days for all workers, requiring health care providers to stay home when sick, etc.

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in-game_sext t1_j0je5uc wrote

I think it still rightly freaks people out because the Chinese government is famously impartial to the quality of life or well-being of their population. They have a long track record of putting productivity at the top end of all public interests. Why do they care so much about this still, at the extreme detriment of things like business and productivity? Personally it sometimes makes me think they still know something about it that we don't.

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Kale t1_j0jb2y5 wrote

Zero COVID policy might have made sense with the original strain, alpha variant, and maybe Delta variant. After omicron, zero COVID is not feasible and not effective.

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sapphicsandwich t1_j0ufudo wrote

It's known to be false so it's absurd to continue on pretending everyone else is going to do it. They should act according to reality, not hopes and dreams.

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circumtopia t1_j0jcyy3 wrote

Lmao consistent. What a bunch of bullshit. They've gone from omg covid is going to doom us... We need vaccines to attend a concert to "just work through it". They mishandled? Why don't you compare deaths per capita? Even foreigners in China can admit that lockdown shit worked despite how much it was despised eventually. They were consistent for years until omicron is now becoming far less deadly than before thereby avoiding the mass deaths during delta that the US experienced. But do go on your high horse.

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bagelizumab t1_j0iuru6 wrote

Yeah. Admins are free to get bigger bonus for their boats. It was promised in the bill of rights bro! Freedom of Assembly of huge piles of cash by doing terrible and unethical things.

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