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Chippopotanuse t1_iv24a87 wrote

Elon probably has all of the SpaceX employees working on Twitter.

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angiosperms- t1_iv26seb wrote

Nah he just talked to Putin and then tweeted out that Ukraine should give up all their territories to stop the war. Nothing suspicious at all

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khanfusion t1_iv2twfj wrote

Link? Cause that's believable, but I haven't seen a story on it.

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angiosperms- t1_iv2ycgb wrote

https://www.vice.com/en/article/ake44z/elon-musk-vladimir-putin-ukraine

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angiosperms- t1_iv2zzhl wrote

Do you actually think someone colluding with a foreign government currently under sanctions would freely admit it?

Tesla is dependent on Russia for aluminum, Elon needs to stay in good graces with Putin to continue having access to it

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Tobimacoss t1_iv4ugr2 wrote

Not just aluminum, Cobalt, Manganese, tons of rare earth minerals going into EV batteries

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maubyfizzz t1_iv3x1th wrote

Musk: "I got a $44 billion bill to pay, maybe Ukraine could help."

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pickleer t1_iv3pz1x wrote

He said he wasn't going to give the coverage for free. The US said they'd foot the bill. This is about $$ and his right, righter politics.

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AugustHenceforth t1_iv24nce wrote

Unstable vain man-children aren't to be depended upon to do anything other than seek attention and praise

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yangsuns t1_iv4k3bu wrote

Musk paid for this from his own pocket for months, he did more for Ukraine than any other billionaires.

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[deleted] t1_iv4lkcd wrote

Actually it was funded by the department of defense the entire time and he only pulled out when funding dried up but whatever…

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yangsuns t1_iv4p4c7 wrote

Source? The latest news I found about this is that on Oct 18th, 'Pentagon confirmed that DoD has not paid SpaceX any money for Starlink services in Ukraine. ' source

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whosthedoginthisscen t1_iv4p8sw wrote

"Spacenews.com"

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yangsuns t1_iv4qce8 wrote

transcript from defense.gov:

Q: There've been some kind of competing claims on who -- who has paid for Starlink so far. Has it been privately donated, or has this been -- has this been U.S. government-funded primarily?

MS. SINGH: I've seen the open-source reporting out there that there have been donations from -- I think it was characterized as different partners. I don't have more for you on that at this time.

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supriiz t1_iv5y7lz wrote

Wild how sources provided yet they try to make you out to be the crazy one. Kudos for trying tho

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sellout217 t1_iv6zcaw wrote

He posted something that proved his assertion wrong. It is like he didn't even read the transcript.

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MausGMR t1_iv5ts67 wrote

https://thedispatch.com/article/fact-checking-claims-that-the-us/

Space x won't comment officially, we just have musks ramblings, and those are plastered all over the Internet when you try and search on the issue.

I've also seen the ukranians claim to be paying for it. We really don't know what kind of agreements are going on behind the scenes. Potentially the ukranians have agreed to cover the costs under money due to then by the eu/us etc.

Musk uses public statement to enact pressure and attempt to force change. That much is evident in plenty of other examples.

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tadcoffin t1_iv4l6xw wrote

Starlink is about $100 per month. Why is he charging Ukraine and the US government $2400? 🤔

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yangsuns t1_iv4px2k wrote

I couldn't find the 2400 number, but found a higher one from another CNN article, which reported that Musk stated in a letter to DoD that his 'most advanced models he send to Ukraine cost up to $4500 a month.' Actually he charge more for regular customers for that service: Starlink Maritime - High-speed, low-latency internet with up to 350 Mbps download while at sea. $5,000/mo with a one-time hardware cost of $10,000.

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feral_brick t1_iv7z4pr wrote

Yes but Ukraine never asked for anything advanced, and there's little to no evidence of anything but the basic dishes in Ukraine

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facelessnessxx t1_iv4rhpi wrote

People on here may not like your comment but its true. Fuck'em. Have my upvote.

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pegothejerk t1_iv24tsx wrote

Musk is the same narcissistic sociopathic fat cat all the political cartoons depicted throughout history, always has been. At least he told everyone instead of trying to continue pretending he’s a liberal progressive.

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radicalelation t1_iv25d74 wrote

I mean... We keep hitting the same cycles of self abuse as a species. We always love these guys until we realize they're hurting all of us.

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calm_chowder t1_iv2wn06 wrote

There's something about power itself that attracts the cartoonishly evil.

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Radiant-Dress1423 t1_iv5p09q wrote

Renewable energy tech. Only guy who connects conservatives and climate action.

Tell us your plan what you'll do if your govt can't fund you for providing satellite service but sends 40b to corrupt politicians

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hirezdezines t1_iv256ih wrote

There is a tiny possibility that, considering Musk's looming psychotic break with reality, the USA might have to nationalize spaceX.

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atomicxblue t1_iv2ngc1 wrote

He's quickly on the path to becoming the Kanye West of Elon Musks.

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davix500 t1_iv28yl1 wrote

It offers a vital service that can affect national security so not that hard to imagine

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Johns-schlong t1_iv42rrn wrote

I mean, I'm pretty post-capitalist myself, but I don't think it should be controversial for a country to nationalize anything that becomes essential and can be easily threatened. Sure, buy it at a price that gives the founders a healthy profit, but then bring that shit into the fold. Of course I also don't believe anyone has the right to billions of dollars, sooo...

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Radiant-Dress1423 t1_iv5piqk wrote

Bro ur govt doesn't want to fund starlink's service and in Ukraine but send 40b to line politician pockets. Why do you want free satellite service again ? Don't you have 40 b to afford purchasing the service ?

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hirezdezines t1_iv6f89b wrote

I doubt we'll get free internet if nationalized. It's for National Security reasons. You can't have a lunatic with control of that many satellites helping ass holes like Putin kill people because they get butt hurt when they make a fool out of themselves on twitter.

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ioncloud9 t1_iv56xi4 wrote

Nationalizing spacex would kill it. The way spacex was even able to built this satellite network with their own reusable rockets would have never happened with a government program. It would’ve costed 10x the proposed amount and taken 3x as long. This is just how nasa and space development has worked for decades. Do you think Starship would ever have been proposed? They are building 7 raptor engines a week now. Each raptor engine has the equivalent thrust to an RS-25 flying on SLS. The government is paying AJR $100 million each for each new RS-25.

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snksleepy t1_iv4shya wrote

Star link is proposed as an instrument to better humanity but instead is really an instrument of war.

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WannabeTraveler87 t1_iv26zh7 wrote

Why are we relying on the "good graces" of a billionaire man-child to provide help? Stop giving the clown attention and, more importantly, tax payer money.

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Zixinus t1_iv2ogz9 wrote

The USA is relying on SpaceX because every new president kept rewriting NASA's project goals while reducing funding and changing their priorities, therefore severely harming the USA's ability to put stuff up in space on their own.

But Elon tried to do that and despite being government-funded (SpaceX was saved from bankruptcy by government money), so politicians didn't keep telling rocket scientists what they should be doing and Elon kept his mouth shut because if this company fails he'll be in trouble. Thus SpaceX managed to work despite him.

Then Elon got into his head that he's actually a genius rather than a guy employing geniuses and now doesn't understand why advertisers are pulling out of a platform whose moderation staff he is proudly sacking.

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[deleted] t1_iv4lsbt wrote

There are other private space agencies who were doing it longer, like Bigelow. 2/3 of NASA launches in the 21 century were defense/intelligence related and funded their budget. Space flight is shady AF nowadays.

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Gb_packers973 t1_iv592dz wrote

Is there any historical evidence of contractors performing work for the u.s govt for free after the contract has expired?

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WannabeTraveler87 t1_iv5bc1h wrote

Exactly why I said why are we relying on his good graces?? What are you confused bout?

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nova9001 t1_iv4jvok wrote

>Why are we relying on the "good graces" of a billionaire man-child to provide help? Stop giving the clown attention and, more importantly, tax payer money.

Because he owns SpaceX, that's why.

America could forcefully nationalize SpaceX but I doubt that's going to happen unless Elon is a threat. So far he's not.

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[deleted] t1_iv4m056 wrote

You post like it’s the only game in town or somehow NASA is dependent on them. He has a sweetheart deal and the public can only speculate how and why. Either way the government is definitely not relying on his good graces. It’s the other way around.

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nova9001 t1_iv523un wrote

How is NASA involved here? We are not talking about space exploration, its about Starlink satellites.

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Habsburg77 t1_iv4vqcl wrote

People live under capitalism, why should Elon Musk sponsor the war in Ukraine? There is no reason for him to continue doing this. I'll open your eyes, but most people don't care about Ukraine, it's not their war.

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tokinUP t1_iv7rzsi wrote

The world should sponsor the war in Ukraine because Russia should not invade other countries.

The main reason for a narcissistic capitalist like Musk to support Ukraine is that he wants those sweet, sweet US military defense contracts later once SpaceX has Starship up and running to do point-to-point cargo delivery anywhere on Earth.

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feral_brick t1_iv7zo3p wrote

No one asked him to fund it. Various governments are already funding a lot of it, and according to some sources SpaceX is war profiteering hardcore with the prices they're charging the governments/NGO's

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justforthearticles20 t1_iv258na wrote

Since Trump supports Russia, so does Elon.

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radicalelation t1_iv25838 wrote

>despite Musk’s claim that SpaceX withdrepw its request,

I get it's minor, but these sort of mistakes used to be more common among small outlets, but I see them all the time on the major news sites now.

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Blenderx06 t1_iv37ggh wrote

Because they can't be arsed to pay people what they're worth properly either.

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tootsonboots t1_iv3h38z wrote

You saw few of them because there were enough editors. Now reporters edit each other's articles, if anyone edits them.

Source: wife is a reporter who has no dedicated editor.

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yhwhx t1_iv248i8 wrote

When they they said it was good to try new things, Elon, they didn't mean war profiteering.

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Worldly_Ad1295 t1_iv33par wrote

Elon you fucking asshole! These people are FIGHTING for their lives and country! They depend on Starlink . It's a lifeline! You go over there and pick up a gun and go to the front!!!

🇺🇦💪 SLAVA UKRAINIE 💪🇺🇦

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Magatha_Grimtotem t1_iv5bqkt wrote

Actually Ukraine has had a lot of bipartisan support. Well, until recently when the GQP got it's talking points in order to appease TrumPutin, now suddenly this is way too expensive to support, nevermind the fact that this is quite literally the most effective money we've ever spend militarily.

The Russian military has been getting decimated in Ukraine, and the more we can aid them the worse it will be for Russia.

Imo we should significantly increase our funding to them to further diminish the Russian military.

The only people who have an issue with that are those who actually support Russia, you know, morons.

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nova9001 t1_iv4k441 wrote

>Ukraine or their supporters could possibly just pay their bill.

Ukraine is broke AF even before the war. Their strongest supporter to date is the US government and Elon is asking them to foot the bill.

So yes, he's doing what you suggested.

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tr3v1n t1_iv276zd wrote

Has Ukraine tried getting Stephen King to tell him the fees were too high? That should drop the cost by 60%.

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Solosite211 t1_iv2ljl1 wrote

And this is why we can't have billionaires. Why we can't have corporations to big to fail. And no Elon did not create this himself and no he is not the second coming of Christ.

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Radiant-Dress1423 t1_iv5pz9j wrote

No billionaires = no starlink service at the first place.

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Solosite211 t1_iv5xv39 wrote

Not true. You think Elon just showed up and made starlink appear. In fact I'd argue there would be more creativity and innovation if more people reaped the rewards of their labor.

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impulsekash t1_iv25vki wrote

Coincidentally Elon managed to find $44b from unspecified sources to buy twitter.

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RockSlice t1_iv2h7sj wrote

A lot of it was actually specified. The Opening Arguments podcast did a good breakdown of his funding on their last episode.

TL/DL:
Bank loans, selling a lot of his Tesla shares, share swap agreements with some shareholders, etc... Only about $5bn of it was "cash" that OA wasn't able to find the source of. But notably, a good chunk of his funding came from a prince of Saudi Arabia, which works out to them now owning about 5% of Twitter stock.

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Littlebotweak t1_iv29bfc wrote

He used his station to become a literal global tyrant.

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CumsOnPizza t1_iv4tvls wrote

Musk that trash person holding Ukrainians hostage over internet. Disgusting person.

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HunterRoze t1_iv2q53a wrote

Hey want to prove to the world you are not a reliable option a country can use as a provider - I can't think of a better way to do so than for the owner to show himself willing to pursue personnel vendetta over corporate profits or reputation.

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CaptainRho t1_iv3y0h2 wrote

Ukraine paid him for the terminals, and he charged more than the usual rate for them. He tried to claim the cost to run them was thousands of dollars a month when others can buy access for hundreds of dollars a month. Because of the the US moved in to pay. At no point was Starlink working for free except on Elon's Twitter profile when he was pretending to be magnanimous in the early stages of the war.

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nova9001 t1_iv4kn2o wrote

https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-elon-musk-ukraine-explainer

>The U.S. military has weighed in recently as well. Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder, the DoD press secretary, confirmed on Tuesday that the Pentagon hasn't paid SpaceX any money for Starlink services in Ukraine to date, Space News reported (opens in new tab).

Wrong the American government has not paid a single cent for it. And while Musk claims some countries paid, he never claimed UK was one of them.

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nova9001 t1_iv4kg9g wrote

>I'm sorry, but exactly when did private industry become obligated to support National Policy for free?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_satellite_services_in_Ukraine

>On February 26, 2022, while Russian columns were advancing to take Ukraine's capital Kyiv, Ukraine's Minister of Digital Transformation of Ukraine Mykhailo Fedorov asked Elon Musk on Twitter to provide assistance to Ukraine in the form of Starlinks.[5][4] Musk/Starlink reacted instantly: Ukraine's Starlink service was immediately activated (as it was not in a list of accessible countries before), while Musk/Starlink sent the first shipment to Ukraine, which arrived on February 28.[6][7][8][9][10]

Nobody forced Elon Musk to do anything. He himself gave Ukraine the services for free. The US government was not involved in the negotiations.

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nova9001 t1_iv51yxp wrote

I don't think you understand the issue here even.

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nova9001 t1_iv71277 wrote

Nobody forced Elon Musk to provide anything. He did so out of his own free will, that includes the free services.

Its Elon Musk who's demanding the US government foot the bill not the other way around.

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ItsKeegs95 t1_iv27psy wrote

Dont know if this was on purpose or not but Elon is gonna learn that DOD has a long memory. If he wants DOD contracts he shouldn't jeopardize national security interest or DOD is gonna fund a program and equipment that makes his business obsolete to them.

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hawklost t1_iv2fj5i wrote

The DoD also knows that if they sign a contract and don't pay, that they will lose the services rendered.

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ItsKeegs95 t1_iv2ikwr wrote

Correct me if im wrong but I don't think a contract was signed for Elon to provide satellite internet to support the Ukrainian war effort. He did this for free, largely as a PR stunt im guessing.

While generous, he choose to play a roll in national security. So when he said he's gonna pull services unless DOD pays, especially he's pulling a shake down for money from DOD... and unless they pay Ukrainians lose internet access for their drones. Probably because of that, DOD has announced they're planning to fund a build for their own internet satellites, making the need for Elon's business in the future to be obsolete.

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hawklost t1_iv2kazj wrote

From what I read of the article it said they were paying him and that it had gotten too expensive to pay.

That implies either a contract involved or them just assuming that if they don't pay they would still get something for nothing.

In either case, if Ukraine was paying and stopped, unless they had a contract saying that services would continue, it is only reasonable for services to end when the client doesn't pay.

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ItsKeegs95 t1_iv2n3n6 wrote

Can you link the article? Everything I've seen so far says the opposite. I've seen reports that USAID paid for some of the starlink devices but DOD didn't pay for the actual monthly service and was provided by Musk for free.

I've seen reporting like this : "Documents obtained by CNN show that last month Musk’s SpaceX sent a letter to the Pentagon saying it can no longer continue to fund the Starlink service as it has. The letter also requested that the Pentagon take over funding for Ukraine’s government and military use of Starlink, which SpaceX claims would cost more than $120 million for the rest of the year and could cost close to $400 million for the next 12 months.

“We are not in a position to further donate terminals to Ukraine, or fund the existing terminals for an indefinite period of time,” SpaceX’s director of government sales wrote to the Pentagon in the September letter."

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hawklost t1_iv2sn1q wrote

Part of the article above

"SpaceX was charging Ukraine’s military $2,500 a month to keep each of the 1,300 units connected, pushing the total cost to almost $20 million by September, the person briefed on the matter said. Eventually, they could no longer afford to pay, the person said."

This indicates that Ukraine was paying and stopped because they couldn't afford it.

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ItsKeegs95 t1_iv2uglt wrote

Okay my article skimming failed me and its seems like we're both right... but credit to you because my impression was that Musk was paying for all of it and I was wrong.

Later in that article: "The far more expensive part, however, is the ongoing connectivity. SpaceX says it has paid for about 70% of the service provided to Ukraine and claims to have offered that highest level – $4,500 a month – to all terminals in Ukraine despite the majority only having signed on for the cheaper $500 per month service."

So it seems like the US, Poland, Ukraine and NGOS were paying for some of the service but SpaceX was donating a portion of it service also.

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SexyOldHobo t1_iv2arxp wrote

Maybe these will get auctioned to someone more responsible after the repo men show up at Elons door

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reddteddledd t1_iv39ldl wrote

Let’s take this as a learning to never trust in trust fund man babies

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mike3point2 t1_iv3few3 wrote

richest dude funding issues...my shiny metal ass.

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L3monGrenade t1_iv3jmtj wrote

Elon is really trying to beat Martin Skrelli for the biggest douchebag award

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wuhkay t1_iv8rjo6 wrote

Mayhaps, critical infrastructure shouldn’t be tied to… unstable elements.

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yukcheuksung t1_ivfdbja wrote

Its scary how much power an oligarch has.

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jagdpanzer45 t1_iv27hnz wrote

I mean, the good news of this is that in a year or so we’ll probably be hearing something about the federal government having some kind of space-based internet providing service.

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ruttin_mudders t1_iv2e392 wrote

Elon probably got his orders from Putin.

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WhomstCares69 t1_iv2qb5j wrote

Maybe they should try cussing him out again. Worked well the first time

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ToddlerOlympian t1_iv38uqn wrote

No worries! The free market will correct this very soon!

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CritaCorn t1_iv3bl7y wrote

1300?! Good lord, it’s the 405 Freeway in space o.0

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dofffman t1_iv3mzr2 wrote

Holy shit I thought about using it someday but man that does not sound reliable.

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mces97 t1_iv3tlzg wrote

40+ billion to buy a gossip website. No funding to actually save lives.

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gsvnvariable t1_iv281yx wrote

1300 ?!?! Holy fuckballs

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paul_wi11iams t1_iv2pnmp wrote

> 1300 ?!?!

among 40 000 terminals in Ukraine. That's a temporary outage for one terminal in thirty.

The outage was caused by a problem between SpaceX and a British company, and its not even certain that SpaceX knew the terminals were intended for Ukraine.

Regarding the battlefront areas, the big deal is only providing service on territory currently held by Ukraine and taking account of military advances.

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noncongruent t1_iv2qqnk wrote

Yep, the terminals are geofenced so that if Russians get ahold of one and torture passwords out of a Ukrainian they still won't work in Russian-held territory. This means they won't work in Crimea at all, and when battle lines are shifting rapidly on active fronts there's a delay from when Ukraine can tell SpaceX they've regained control of territory and when SpaceX can propagate the new geofence info to terminals. This is likely only a problem where Ukraine is making rapid progress, which isn't along the entire battlefront.

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OffOption t1_iv2pr32 wrote

Elon, you narcissistic prick.

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SDLRob t1_iv39faj wrote

'funding issues'

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Yeah... that's not what Musk is doing here....

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smileymn t1_iv3wayx wrote

Fuck billionaires, they have no right to exist

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Badraptor777 t1_iv2anki wrote

They went offline because of funding issues for the satellites…or because he now has funding issues for Twitter?/s

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FloodMoose t1_iv2bmvb wrote

Sounds like someone needs a little guidance from St. Javelin...

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yangsuns t1_iv4kzl6 wrote

If no one pays the bill, any internet company anywhere will cut the wire way faster. I know that Ukraine is fighting for good cause, but that doesn't make Musk or anyone obligated to fund it.

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twlscil t1_iv5p1va wrote

This actually comes down to regulation.

You can pick up any cell phone in America, regardless of whether it has service or not, and make a 911 call.

Health and public safety can take precedence over commerce.

The RF of an airspace is controlled by the government. They can legislate availability if they choose to allow an operator in a country. I expect many countries will change the laws in these regards as internet becomes a utility

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20Characters_orless t1_iv2j9h1 wrote

Before all the Neo's start flipping out, this is only a temporary technical armistice. The horrors of war will resume momentarily.

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[deleted] t1_iv2f2g1 wrote

Oh, Muskie! You rascal!

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TriSamples t1_iv2i9l7 wrote

Such a shitty person. Richest man on the planet. Put profits ahead of the lives of a nation being invaded.

What a F-ing douche. I’d love to see this guy stripped of all his power and wealth and paraded through the village being pelted with rotten veg.

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dr_cl_aphra t1_iv2n4f9 wrote

You killed people with this, Musk. You knew you would when you did it, same as if you’d flown a drone over a city and dropped the payload. And you did so knowing (and because) there’d be no consequences for you.

What level of psychopathy is it to hoard wealth like a fucking dragon, and take pleasure in the power to cause the deaths of random people (you’d say you have no reason to care about them, because that’s what a monster says)?

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JaggedMetalOs t1_iv3fms1 wrote

Weird how someone with a net worth of $200 billion and loves to go on about helping humanity can't find $100 million to "pay" for this.

And I put "pay" in quotes because they claim the dishes cost $2,500 per month, yet they can run their consumer service for closer to $100 per month.

Almost sounds a bit like extortion, doesn't it?

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dwinps t1_iv68xs6 wrote

You conflate cost with what they want to charge

The incremental cost for supporting those terminals is much lower than $2500/mo

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dwinps t1_iv78h2x wrote

>level of service being provided the Ukrainian Government
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It doesn't cost SpaceX $2500/mo

SpaceX is not providing hardware for free (like your F35's from Lockheed analogy). More akin to Lockheed saying they can use some software package Lockheed usually charges $1000/mo for at no charge, with that software package use creating some relatively small additional costs to Lockheed in terms of bandwidth.

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dwinps t1_iv7rbbd wrote

Lol, fighter jets cost real money to make, incremental cost of internet service on Starlink is very low

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dwinps t1_iv7t1gf wrote

You just keep on thinking physical stuff costs are the same as services like internet service

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nova9001 t1_iv4k167 wrote

Could get alot richer getting taxpayers pay for it.

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jonnyinternet t1_iv24e3d wrote

That's why you pay your $8 a month for twitter

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varain1 t1_iv2i1tc wrote

Hmm, should I listen to advice from someone who snorted nail fungus because they thought it's cocaine ... nahh, not worth it ... https://www.reddit.com/r/cocaine/comments/ybk26h/snorted_what_i_thought_was_left_over_cocaine_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

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United-Student-1607 t1_iv2j94b wrote

I have been having a bad day, but your post made me smile. I don’t want to argue about stuff today. I’m try to build off this energy. I want humans to care for each other.

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varain1 t1_iv2k19e wrote

Lol, you "want humans to care for each other" - you forgot to add "except Ukrainians", because you are against helping them get rid of an invading army of killers and psychopaths sent there by a murderous kleptocratic dictator ...

There are plenty of Ukrainians who have a much worse day than you, so I'll keep my sympathy for them and you can deal with your cocaine and nail-fungus hangover ...

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United-Student-1607 t1_iv2kplb wrote

Look. There is a problem with the monetary and weapons supply to the country of Ukraine, at least from countries like mine in the United States. It’s a very complex political issue that has many private/corporate and government interest. Giving so many weapons without being able to track them is terrible. We have had this happen before. It’s almost like a playbook. Blocking diplomacy is also terrible. Telling a country they can’t have peace talks is terrible. That’s what we the US is doing. I get that we don’t have any other war going and we got to keep up defense companies making money, but it’s ethically wrong.

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varain1 t1_iv2mipa wrote

Lol, you're doing a nice job of spewing ruzzian propaganda, for having a cocaine hangover...

Peace is easy - ruzzians gtfo out of Ukraine and then can have peace talks. But Ukrainians don't want "peace" gained by giving the ruzzians the invaded territories - that was tried in 2014 with Crimea and now Pootin wants more ...

And no one is stopping Ukraine to have peace talks - Ukraine doesn't want to have peace talks with a barbarian invader, especially now when they are pushing them back hard and Russian conscripts are dying in job lots. Or you could provide a link to your allegations, but you don't have ...

No money are sent by US to Ukraine - the help consists of weapons which already exists and are sent to Ukraine.

As per tracking, this is an older, already debunked ruskie meme - the weapons are sent to the Ukrainian government and army, they are not randomly thrown out of the plane as useful tankies think ...

As per companies making money due to war, the solution is again very simple - pootin can gtfo out of Ukraine and all is done ...

You should wake up from your cocaine and nail fungus binge, maybe you could see the reality as it is ....

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United-Student-1607 t1_iv2oxco wrote

Dude, what? We can’t say everything that doesn’t fit the main stream narrative, Russian propaganda. Honestly, this is enough reddit for me today. I can’t have my Friday be like this.

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varain1 t1_iv2r5d9 wrote

Lol, send some links for your allegations then:

  1. That USA stops Ukraine from having peace talks with Ruzzia (Pootin doesn't count as a valid source)

  2. That arms are not tracked (Ruzzian TV screeches are not a valid source either)

Also, you can use today and the weekend to recover from your nail fungus/cocaine hangover, instead of posting ruzzian propaganda on reddit ...

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United-Student-1607 t1_iv2wpp5 wrote

  1. https://youtu.be/IWuZp1iq72Q

  2. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/01/us-weapons-ukraine-oversight/

  3. I hope you are experienced enough in life to know when a post is a joke about toe nail fungus….

  4. Going through school here, I never thought censorship could ever be a thing, but now I know that when you have a few large media corporation, it is very easy to censor stuff by limiting what narrative or information gets printed or published.

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varain1 t1_iv39sie wrote

  1. yes, videos on youtube are the best information source ... right there with Alex Jones and Bencel WAP Shapiro ...

And again we go to the fact that this war was started by Ruzzia invading a sovereign country, after screeching for months that they will not invade Ukraine - see how on Feb 17, 7 days before the invasion, Pootin the psychopath was lying about it: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-17/russia-tells-u-s-no-ukraine-invasion-planned-tass-says

And also we have the fact that the Ruzzians can end the war at any moment if they just get the fuck out of Ukraine.

And here is the latest said by Zelenskyi, which talks about peace, just today - https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/zelensky-we-are-ready-for-peace-for-a-fair-and-just-peace

  1. The article doesn't have any mentions of instances where US arms have been smuggled, and only talks about improving efforts for verification, which is normally difficult due to war conditions - but this is not a reason to stop the help:

"U.S. and Ukrainian officials say they have not documented any instances of illicit use or transfer of American arms in Ukraine since Russian President Vladimir Putin launched his invasion on Feb. 24. The State Department has acknowledged that Russian forces’ capture of Ukrainian arms could lead to those weapons being smuggled on to other countries. Other weapons have gone missing; a Swedish grenade launcher, apparently pilfered from a battlefield in Ukraine, exploded in the trunk of a car in Russia in May."

  1. Ah, the old "it's a joke bro" - because everyone posts jokes in r_cocaine how they mistook nail fungus for leftover cocaine and snorted it ... ... and then comments down how "well, after all the gagging, I was really awake. Heart rate was high, I did experience irritability. Who does that?"

what a "nice" joke, ha ha ha ... ...

  1. It seems you went from an extreme to another - youtube is full of misinformation videos, as we can see from Alex Jones, the guy who now has to pay almost 1 billion of dollars for all the lies and misinformation he peddled about the Sandy Hook shooting.

But please tell me in your words what is your idea of peace in Ukraine, - how can be done and under what conditions ...

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CaptainRho t1_iv40r1h wrote

When you watch horror movies, do you ask whoever's around, "Why did that mean lady hit Jason with a 2x4?"

"I dunno Student. Do you think it has something to do with Jason HACKING HER FRIENDS APART WITH A MACHETE IN FRONT OF HER?"

"Well there's no need for her to be so mean..."

Yeah sure, if she just apologizes and lets the scary, 7-foot, masked murdered hack her apart everyone will just get along happily ever after.

I understand you are a person who wants peace, but people ARE NOT YOU. Not everyone values peace and love like you do and trying to just let them do what they want and hoping they go away has almost never worked out in the history of mankind.

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SwingingDickKnutsack t1_iv24ei3 wrote

See, this is what happens when you hippies act too high and mighty to give the man $8 a month.

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