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SohndesRheins t1_j756ojj wrote

Me thinks that the 2 gang members involved in this shooting don't give a damn if they are legally allowed to own guns.

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W4ffle3 t1_j75nfdh wrote

Me thinks if guns were rare, hard to obtain, and expensive, they wouldn't have been able to possess guns in the first place.

Why don't gun nuts understand how supply and demand works?

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SohndesRheins t1_j75np2y wrote

That strategy hasn't worked for drugs and it didn't work for alcohol during Prohibition.

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W4ffle3 t1_j75z196 wrote

I know this is hard for you to understand, but manufacturing a gun requires a lot more skill money and capital then fermenting plant matter.

Also, you realize the world doesn't just consist of America, right? I can easily look at other countries and see their gun laws work.

To sum, your historical example is bad and real world evidence shows gun prohibition works.

Why are all of the arguments from gun nuts so bad? Your analogies are bad and the only history you know is the United States and some bad history about WWII.

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SohndesRheins t1_j75zkwt wrote

Maybe this is hard for you to understand, but you can 3D print firearm receivers on your kitchen counter with a $300 printer and a few dollars worth of material. This isn't the 1800s anymore when making a gun yourself meant you had to be named John Moses Browning and have a full machine shop just to make single shot and lever action rifles. Hell a German guy came up with a semi-automatic carbine design that doesn't require any parts you can't get from Home Depot. I would say it's way easier to make your own gun than to make your own cocaine and heroin, but no amount of legislation has made cocaine and heroin go away.

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W4ffle3 t1_j78bjrl wrote

This might be hard for you to understand, but 3D printers and supplies are expensive and take technical expertise to set up. Also 3D guns fucking suck.

Do you gun nuts ever think through your arguments? Or do you just uncritically parrot what you read in your discords?

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Witchgrass t1_j76ehaa wrote

I think you would have a lot more luck convincing others of your opinion if you didn’t invalidate the opinion of anyone who disagrees with you by calling them gun nuts

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hydrophonix t1_j76x0ij wrote

Anti-gun-nuts aren't very smart sometimes.

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Witchgrass t1_j77rhpm wrote

As if the only options are all or nothing. There are gun owners (like myself) who aren’t “gun nuts”, who want sensible gun reform. I’m an antifascist who is a proud member of the Socialist Rifle Association. Sometimes I really resent people acting like progressive gun owners aren’t a thing.

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evidica t1_j7531n9 wrote

They probably also think that the police are here to protect us too.

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weecefwew t1_j75d47c wrote

Most “illegal” guns are just guns that were bought legally in the US at some point before getting stolen or trafficked.

The process of acquisition might be more drawn out and illicit but the actual origin of the firearm is pretty much always the same whether it’s a criminal or legal gun owner.

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[deleted] t1_j76x5mv wrote

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weecefwew t1_j76x8xq wrote

Please feel free to point out anything I said that’s factually incorrect

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Skreat t1_j75bqhc wrote

>If I must choose between a law written by men 230 years ago and my life, then I'm choosing my life.

Gang members who executed a 16yr old mother and her baby are not going to care about gun laws.

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Exseatsniffer t1_j75zsl5 wrote

Yep, gun laws are not going to do anything in cases like this. But they would have an impact on things like school-and other shootings. Or with in-family killings because someone lost their mind for whatever reason.

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hydrophonix t1_j76whke wrote

Lol totally unrelated to the topic at hand

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Exseatsniffer t1_j7784su wrote

Dude I commented on mentioned gunlaw so I disagree. I didn't comment on the head topic, I reacted on a sub-comment.

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W4ffle3 t1_j7598je wrote

>The 2nd amendment was written to guarantee your right to protect yourself from these animals.

"You need guns to protect yourself from people with guns."

Galaxy brain argument.

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vonhoother t1_j75ebok wrote

The 2nd Amendment was written to satisfy Framers who were afraid of a standing [federal] army and slaveholders who wanted to preserve their right to mount armed patrols to catch people escaping slavery. The standing federal army has been a fact of life for more than two centuries; slavery was abolished in 1865; so the 2nd Amendment is now useful as a fundraising tool for the NRA and the Republican party, and to make domestic violence more deadly.

Today's ultra-simplistic interpretations of the 2nd Amendment are a fraud, as former Chief Justice Warren Burger said. I honestly think Justice Clarence Thomas (author of the Bruen decision, now being cited to restore gun rights to wife-beaters) detests this country and is using his position to destroy it with its own constitution.

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kazh t1_j757u28 wrote

I'm in favor of more realistic and modern laws but these people will be armed regardless.

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W4ffle3 t1_j75zakc wrote

Everyone is in favor of realistic and modern laws on paper. Now man up and say what you actually mean. What laws? Universal background checks? Assault rifle bans? Red flag laws?

What do you actually mean?

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heroini t1_j751ods wrote

>If I must choose between a law written by men 230 years ago and my life, then I'm choosing my life.

*Dies in home invasion*

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Roberttrieasy t1_j75oby4 wrote

yeah I'm sure klan members will be stopped by the pleading words of the black family they're terrorizing

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FamiliarTry403 t1_j751x2f wrote

I’m all for safe storage laws, red flag laws, more extensive background checks, and things like that, actually enforcing all of those things is easier said than done. I believe tho abolishing the 2nd amendment will do more harm than good. Gun buy backs will only be so effective even with cash incentive, people still have the means to manufacture their own firearms that laws can’t fully stop, you have more guns than people that would have to be accounted for and that’s just the legal firearms. It’s a mess through and through tho.

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SynkkaMetsa t1_j75gu7y wrote

So 3 things to start, 1 safe storage laws, mostly unconstitutional under Heller v DC (and with NYSPRA v Bruen almost likely so), red flag laws, extreme grey area on 4th amendment rights if not implemented properly (and with the 5th circuit ruling that restraining orders are not a means to take guns...well, red flags may be analogous given they are somewhat similar in the approach, but we'll see how that plays out if the AG appeals higher) , more extensive background checks... the background things checked on the background check are all good, the issue is localities failing to turn information over to the FBI. And any extended background check that takes a few days to complete...well they don't do anything, they just run NICS as usual and sit around and make it a wait-period law instead.

Also gun buybacks are hilarious to me, they are basically "hey, I'll give you $100 for that $2000 gun you got" because apparently the legislatures think it is <2000's still in terms of gun prices...like, nahhh, and then people 3D print firearms to show how much of a joke the whole thing is anyway.

Not trying to be snarky, just pointing out the reality of all these things. We'd likely be better off trying an approach which doesn't affect 2A or any of our other rights...because apparently politicians don't get that, we are at the point where they are purposefully testing the boundaries knowing it is a grey area (and in some cases knowing 100% that they are attacking a right), and that's not good for any of our rights.

Tangent: I wish I could say that they truly believed it was about safety...but I've read so many of their proposed bills, it is not about safety, they simply hate gun owners just like you see with people here on reddit which clearly have a bias against gun owners, so why would politicians be any different, they are after all, just people, and like people, are influenced by those around them.

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xavis t1_j75jr5s wrote

reddit associates gun owners with being republicans (because they are the vocal ones about guns), and just see anti gun laws as punishing republicans.

because a liberal would never own a gun. no siree bob.

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