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barrinmw t1_j6xse6p wrote

Hopefully they make sure that all the oil and other hazardous wastes that would normally aboard are all removed.

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jerseycityfrankie t1_j6xue97 wrote

Two things: shame on the Brazilian Navy for allowing the ships deterioration to run far past the point of being able to safely tow the hulk. That is profoundly unprofessional and completely avoidable. The other thing that bothers me is the news item title. You can’t be “at” the “high seas”, it’s not a place. You can only be “on” the High Seas, a state of being.

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autoposting_system t1_j6xuzum wrote

Well this doesn't make any sense. There are actually junk dealers that float sunk ships and tow them someplace and sell them for scrap. Somebody will take this and cut it to pieces if you just let them

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vwb2022 t1_j6xw0mn wrote

Basically, the hull is leaking and Turkey is worried it will sink somewhere en-route before it gets to the scrapyard. So Brazil will sink it in deep water (5000+ feet) away from protected marine areas and any underwater infrastructure.

The hull likely still contains toxic materials, like paint and oil residue, so by sinking it in deep water they hope to limit environmental damage.

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Smithium t1_j6y2e84 wrote

Asbestos is a problem when you try to scrap a ship like that. Airborne fibers are toxic. It's not a problem when you sink it. Unfortunate, that's a huge amount of metal that could be recycled. The residual oil can be mitigated by scrubbing tanks and reservoirs before scuttling. It may still leave an oil slick, but I think that's more of a cosmetic problem than long term environmental issue.

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B00LEAN_RADLEY t1_j708yws wrote

Just fly an Argentine flag before setting sail south toward the Falklands. A british sub will send to Davy Jones's locker next to the General Belgrano.

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Lopsided_Web5432 t1_j70c1ut wrote

I can’t help but think of all of the ships that were sunk in ww2. The North Atlantic and South Pacific had a lot

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jwm3 t1_j70nft2 wrote

Replying to jerseycityfrankie (#1,705,271)

It was a French warship. A Brazilian/Turkish company was just going to decommission and recycle it. The Brazilian navy only got involved now that they have to scuttle it since no port will accept it for disassembly.

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Tef-al t1_j71bp2q wrote

Replying to justtheentiredick (#1,711,434)

Not really. To get it somewhere to work on you have to bring it to shallower waters which have much more life in them don't have the same pressures and temperatures etc. If it sinks there it's a big problem so they've decided better to end the journey now and sink it where its less of a problem.

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_deltaVelocity_ t1_j71fwyz wrote

Can we at least film it so somebody can edit to look like the sinking of the Foch in Red Storm Rising?

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Dr_Ifto t1_j72b703 wrote

This would be a kickass painball arena.

Also, they could just strip and sell the steel. but i guess its too far gone.

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DudeWithAnAxeToGrind t1_j72nas4 wrote

Replying to Lopsided_Web5432 (#1,712,204)

I'm not saying this is ideal. Ships shouldn't be simply scuttled at the end of their life. They should go to scrap yards. However, an isolated incident far from any fishing areas far out in the sea isn't going to be environmental disaster. There are many large ships at the bottom of the oceans. E.g. just count sunk WW1 and WW2 battleships.

At least there was attempt to do it properly with this one ship, but it didn't work out.

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UtahCyan t1_j78juux wrote

Replying to justtheentiredick (#1,711,434)

It's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. It's more about harm mitigation at this point. The options to salvage it put a lot more critical areas at much more danger. But they let the ship get so bad that they can't do anything now. It's kind of like windmills, sure they kill birds, but global warming is going to do a hell of a lot more damage to birds.

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