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Ratnix t1_ja8k448 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,062,334)

I wouldn't want to be a judge for that event. If she doesn't win, then "anyone who didn't vote for her is just transphobic." If she does win, "it's only because she's Trans".

No matter what happens, they're going to get hated upon.

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HappilyhiketheHump t1_ja8kgul wrote

Pageants, pageant people and pageant parents. The worst of humanity.

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pegothejerk t1_ja8madl wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,062,334)

Judges give a rating, they don’t just vote for one person, so if they refused to give a rating to just one person because they’re a trans person, wouldn’t that be a valid claim?

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pegothejerk t1_ja8o4qm wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,064,024)

If they do their job to the best of their ability, I see no issue. If they refuse or take some stance by obviously and admittedly fixing the participants chances because of their trans status, that’s bigotry and has no place in that position, they should be removed and the public should be informed why.

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needabiggerhammer t1_ja8sg0k wrote

Replying to Ratnix (#2,063,060)

Pretty much. Going to be a shit show.

Would be more interesting if the judges didn't know she was trans. Seeing it is a beauty contest I imagine part of the subjective scoring will be based on an unconscious "can I breed with her" factor (actually make babies, not just practice) and could unintentionally bias males judges regardless of their conscious openness to the concept.

Tangent, but that would be a fun research project. Does telling a male a woman is sterilized impact their perceived attractiveness? How about trans instead? How do the impacts compare?

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breathex2 t1_ja97mqp wrote

Her bio is impressive with the amount of work she's done for trans rights and she's gorgeous so she stands a shot at winning.

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coondingee t1_ja9ci6m wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,065,124)

Ask a honest question on the internet and get down voted to hell. I’ve been wondering how we will deal with transgender athletes for a while now and how it will play out in the next few years like whether or not trans people competing in a sport or a beauty pageant will have special restrictions placed on them such as hormonal restrictions or what not.

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kstinfo t1_ja9frju wrote

It's about a beauty pageant contestant with no picture. Why is this article getting any up-votes?

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coondingee t1_ja9g1y7 wrote

Replying to LevelStudent (#2,071,533)

Not an idiotic question because people are actually asking these questions. We don’t know what the future may hold. Better example for you. If a trans woman was is in a womans sport, what’s to stop her from discontinuing her estrogen supplements right before a contest? Please don’t get me wrong. My son is trans but I’m really wondering how this will play out in the next few years.

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ADarwinAward t1_ja9gaa9 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,062,787)

People who use Twitter as their standard for whether you’ll get bullied irl are chronically online. The Twitterati are nasty to everyone. You could tweet that you like sunshine and happiness and you’ll have an army of Twitter idiots bullying you. It’s where mentally ill bullies flock to after they finish high school.

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Karenomegas t1_ja9iwkx wrote

Replying to coondingee (#2,071,754)

What does it matter? This isn't a sport, this is a competition of aesthetic and appeal. Its a beauty contest. Just asking questions is literally template sealioning at this point.

Be supportive. Don't drag your kid into it. They will thank you in twenty years regardless.

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Karenomegas t1_ja9k9hk wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,072,667)

My sincerest if I found the wrong tree to bark up.

I, and many, many of my peers are related to conservative persons who would call themselves parents. That use our existence to further conversations in their favor to the best of their neurotic abilities. It is a trope within the community.

Edit: Even going so far as to use the pronoun in relation to your kin. Disingenuous actors use language in a fashion to bait and trap issues like its a game. And some of us are at real risk.

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enigmamonkey t1_jaa9zeo wrote

Replying to Karenomegas (#2,072,508)

Just chiming in here since this discourse feels like it's turning toxic (more on that below).

FWIW, I fully support Daniela Arroyo and anyone in her position who would be undergoing any sort of gender affirming care.

> Just asking questions is literally template sealioning at this point.

I think the primary difference here (re: sealioning) might be if you're already engaged in a discourse with an individual who engaged in sealioning over multiple exchanges in a dialog. If the person doesn't have a history of doing it just yet (maybe later on in the discussion) then I don't think it's fair to label them that way; at least not yet.

I just don't think it's fair to prevent people from asking any and all questions, regardless of their intent and without knowing their intent. You may think it's stupid or that it's completely obvious to you, but shutting people down simply for asking isn't the best way to help those who are actually honestly curious. It likely just entrenches them further.

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needabiggerhammer t1_jaaumm2 wrote

Replying to Whackjob-KSP (#2,077,919)

How so?

It would be finding out how much does perceived fertility impacts what is considered attractive (already a subjective measure that changes based on culture and history). They whole point would to be if there is, and how much, a subconscious weighting based on that.

Similar studies have been done on equally frivolous (in the context that someone being fertile or not does not change they worth or value as a person) variables and generally they have interesting results.

Not really related to the subject of the thread, hence the prefix of "tangent", except the whole thing is around a beauty pageant where we already reduce women to the role of object and score them on it.

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SheriffComey t1_jab5k1q wrote

Replying to Joeworkingguy819 (#2,088,333)

One of my female coworkers has a jawline far far more masculine than this so that's not a good indicator.

And before anyone asks, "Well how do you know?". She was pregnant and had twins.....unless medical technology has vastly improved beyond what I thought.

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UniversalMomentum t1_jackbca wrote

Replying to Joeworkingguy819 (#2,088,333)

I don't think jawline really works because lots of women have big jaws and lots of men have small ones, there is too much normal variation between sexes.

I don't see how you could guess with any confidence like that.. other than like now when you already know.

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RedGoodN t1_jacpy3p wrote

Replying to Joeworkingguy819 (#2,088,333)

I see a lot of people that always say "can't tell from jawline", but like you ... I kinda can yeah. It's the shape of the face or something.

Not sure if we're different because we can recognize bio-male jawlines, if it's a brain fart because we know they're trans so our brain looks for bio-male parts or what, but I do agree it always looks a bit... Strong.

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EeezyMac t1_jaenx31 wrote

Headline should read "A woman will compete in a Puerto Rico pageant" and then it won't be news. Normalize calling trans people by their gender. She is a woman.

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