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newwriter365 t1_jd3xkb6 wrote

So…an immigrant supporting an anti-immigrant elected official.

That makes sense.

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SeanRyanNJ t1_jd40n5i wrote

yet pretty common

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thisnewsight t1_jd497cy wrote

My fuckin’ in-laws are Jewish expats from Russia. They fled for persecution reasons.

Anti-immigrant and Republican authoritarian. Like wtf?

I remember my wife was completely beleaguered by her father and mother’s comments on immigration. She said, then you guys gotta go. You were immigrants. You don’t want immigrants here. Leave America. They had nothing to say.

I asked, “Why did you leave an authoritarian government for fear of your life only to want another authoritarian government?”

Edit: I’m seeing some conservatives a little unhappy with this post.

To clarify: they came here illegally via fake visa. They are now legal citizens for over 20 years.

They are against ALL immigration. Legal or not. They just want America to themselves (white).

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sutisuc t1_jd4owip wrote

My favorite is all of the people from communist countries who demonstrate they have no conception of what they experienced or what communism is when they tell you with a straight face Joe Biden is a communist

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storm2k t1_jd5udid wrote

common refrain from a lot of groups of expats here in the states. people like trump and desantis have strength in florida because the cubans, venezuelans, and colombians view anyone who isn't ultra hard right conservative is a communist who's out to get them.

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sutisuc t1_jd5vgxt wrote

Yup exactly who I was thinking of with that comment. I’ve also encountered it with Vietnamese and ex Soviets as well.

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SailingSpark t1_jd4lra1 wrote

>I asked, “Why did you leave an authoritarian government for fear of your life only to want another authoritarian government?”

Authoritarianism is easy, you just do what they tell you to do. One of my co-workers is pro-fascist/Authoritarian, not that he will admit it. There is not a rule, recommendation, or a law he will break. If he is told to do something a certain way, he will do it that way, no ifs, ands, or buts.

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tmssX t1_jd4n4fh wrote

My authoritarian coworker got back from vacation and it was so nice not hearing the words publicly executed

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Deslah t1_jd5row2 wrote

Following instructions in a work setting or obeying the laws of the country/state/country/city you live in isn't being "pro-fascist/authoritarian". It usually means you're a good worker and a decent resident in your community.

So, please tell us more about these horrendous situations in which he's told to do something in a certain way and he actually does it that way.

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Legitimate_Page t1_jd7jr7n wrote

Found the guy driving 55 on 295.

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Deslah t1_jd7klck wrote

Nah, more like 115mph on the German autobahn--outside of the speed limit zones, of course.

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SailingSpark t1_jd6jjj4 wrote

How about not once putting a foot on the upper rungs of a ladder because it is "illegal"?

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Deslah t1_jd7bpj7 wrote

Imagine considering someone 'sheeple' for not wanting to end up paralyzed--that's the most NJ'est thing I've read on here in a long time.

The Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970 (OSH Act) was passed to prevent workers from being killed or otherwise harmed at work. The law (yes, the law) requires employers to provide their employees with working conditions that are free of known dangers.

Ladder Basics:

  1. When on a ladder, never face away from it.
  2. Never stand on the top rung of the step ladder.

That top rung is, at best, for your hands, not your feet. Ladder too short? Get a longer fucking ladder.

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psilosophist t1_jd7ds7d wrote

Sounds like someone who knows their OSHA rules. Following OSHA rules is fantastic for malicious compliance.

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SailingSpark t1_jd85x4p wrote

I don't disagree with you. But him saying it is "illegal" was the thing that got me.

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BlazinGlazin848 t1_jd4o8u0 wrote

Being a legal immigrant doesnt mean you are for illegal immigrants.

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SeparateAddress9070 t1_jd5yroh wrote

you do realize that 90% of "illegal immigrants" are legal immigrants whos visas expired right? Stop acting like these are different types of people.

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BlazinGlazin848 t1_jd611vd wrote

Illegal is illegal, focus on the specifics. There are people that have spent the time to do things legally and others that break the law . My parents did it legally.

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SeparateAddress9070 t1_jd619a3 wrote

"break the law" you mean not make a visa appointment because they had to keep their job to keep a roof over their head?

You have NO idea what these people are going through

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BlazinGlazin848 t1_jd61gn5 wrote

You have no idea what legal immigrants have to go through. Stop making excuses. And I’m also referring to many that have crossed the border illegally too.

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SeparateAddress9070 t1_jd61uwi wrote

>And I’m also referring to many that have crossed the border illegally too.

a very very small percentage of "illegal immigrants"

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BlazinGlazin848 t1_jd63jzk wrote

We can argue about this back and forth. The point is this. My parents did it the right way and it was great pride for them to do it that way. It’s sad that you are making excuses for people that knowingly break the law. The amount of social services many illegals are getting now is ridiculous. Sorry but this only encourages people to not follow the law

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SeparateAddress9070 t1_jd645wi wrote

"breaking the law" doesn't make someone any more or less moral. Sorry that you think that systems of oppression are a positive addition to society.

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cC2Panda t1_jd7vawa wrote

If they are anything like a couple Russian Jewish and Cuban families that I know they don't actually give a shit about authoritarian or fascist politicians. They just know that they left a "communist" country and so any claim of "communism" or "socialism" and they back he actual fascists.

It's amazing that someone who fled an autocratic country could think the ACA is a step closer to us looking like Venezuela and not the UK but that's what I've seen repeatedly.

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ToneThugsNHarmony t1_jd8ahht wrote

You’re purposely using “immigrant” as a blanket term, when the reality is that there are very different classifications.

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streeter17 t1_jd5qpr9 wrote

We’re they legal immigrants? Did they fight to get their citizenships?

Major context missing.

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encouragingSN t1_jd42gx1 wrote

It is actually sadly very common.

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WredditSmark t1_jd48btx wrote

Crabs in a barrel. Could all get out but fuck y’all, I’m out, everyone else go fuck yourselves. Must be the American dream

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BlindArchers t1_jd5o77e wrote

I would joke that pulling up the ladder behind you is the real American Dream but it seriously is for a fair amount of people and that's really depressing

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gordonv t1_jd4f94q wrote

It's a type of "nose in the air" exclusionism.

Where a lot of immigrants who worked hard, did the paperwork, waited the 7 to 10 years, and gained meaningful employment in the states feel they are being lumped in with people running from poverty and violence in a refugee like condition.

They don't want to acknowledge that they were never seen as equals by a lot of hard conservatives. They truly believe they're accepted by the GOP for who they are, not their money.

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its_broo_skeh_tuh t1_jd6coij wrote

As much sense as trump being popular among American evangelicals. Perplexing, but not a surprise.

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surrealchemist t1_jd7w6mp wrote

They always seem to be well off business owners who are bitter and detached from life in their home country. They come over here legally because they have the money to pay for lawyers and all that to do it "the right way", and then resent people who aren't well off trying to come over. Same thing with the Cubans who think they are just going to waltz back in the country some day and take their former plantations over.

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newwriter365 t1_jd7wlzf wrote

Definitely thought about the Cubans when I saw this. I lived in S Fl for four years, and the conflictive dissonance of the Cuban expats is a regular discussion.

Those fleeing socialism living off of social welfare programs are the loudest voices.

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Consistent-Try6233 t1_jd3z9qr wrote

What is it with fascist supporters and being complete assholes on the road?

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Pherllerp t1_jd463r5 wrote

It ain't just on the road buddy.

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Consistent-Try6233 t1_jd46gal wrote

I mean obviously lmao but I have never seen a car with a Trump sticker that DOESN'T drive like an aggressive asshole.

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Ok_Physics_1284 t1_jd4ih1s wrote

It’s not just trump supporters either it’s literally just assholes political affiliations aside.

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Consistent-Try6233 t1_jd4j2i0 wrote

Not every asshole driver is a Trump supporter, but every Trump supporter is an asshole driver.

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Consistent-Try6233 t1_jd4k8rt wrote

Why are u booing me I'm right

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Ok_Physics_1284 t1_jd4wa2j wrote

I don’t look at you as an asshole based on your politics but there sure are plenty of aggressive self centered drivers out there. I see it every day.

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Tough-Giraffe t1_jd4kuqg wrote

Replace “with a trump sticker” with literally anything else and you sound like the racist assholes you despise

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Consistent-Try6233 t1_jd4kyw9 wrote

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You're serious?

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Tough-Giraffe t1_jd4l7tt wrote

Am I wrong?

> I mean obviously lmao but I have never black person that DOESN'T drive like an aggressive asshole.

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Tough-Giraffe t1_jd4l8aj wrote

Am I wrong?

> I mean obviously lmao but I have never seen a black person that DOESN'T drive like an aggressive asshole.

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Consistent-Try6233 t1_jd4lde5 wrote

Comparing support for a fascist to being born a certain race is a WILD take dude.

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Tough-Giraffe t1_jd4mfe7 wrote

I said

> Replace “with a trump sticker” with literally anything else and you sound like the racist assholes you despise

You said

> HAHAHA- are you serious?

> demonstrated word for word what I said above

Are you slow?

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RGSislit t1_jd4mvln wrote

Nobody is bringing up black people but you.

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Consistent-Try6233 t1_jd4mvug wrote

Oh no I understand what you meant, your point was just extremely stupid and probably just a troll.

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Tough-Giraffe t1_jd4n6n1 wrote

How is it extremely stupid when you’re generalizing to a single attribute of someone yourself? If you really can’t understand how you’re not doing the same thing you’re probably better off going back to your sped classes

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Snownel t1_jd4vndh wrote

You think babies are assigned Trump supporters at birth or something? Do we force them to drive only cars with Trump stickers on them? I must've missed the memo.

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Consistent-Try6233 t1_jd51bxe wrote

For people who love to say how much they hate "identity politics", they sure do love to act like they're victims of persecution. 😭😭

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OfficerGenious t1_jd5hexo wrote

Sure do, my mind is still spinning from that guy who equates anti-trump to racism. I swear some people need to be in an insane asylum...

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daedalus_was_right t1_jd5tger wrote

Being born of a certain skin color is not a choice.

Choosing to support a fascist is a choice, you dumb mother fucker.

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SeparateAddress9070 t1_jd5yuv4 wrote

good thing being a fascist scumbag isn't a race and it's not bigoted to judge those people.

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CKtheFourth t1_jd632rb wrote

They're assholes everywhere, we just see them on the road.

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JerseyGiantsFan OP t1_jd3oprl wrote

Some background:

Almost every day this truck drives through my neighborhood, heading west towards either the Turnpike or the Goethals Bridge. You’d think he would have stopped after Bolsonaro lost his re-election bid and fled Brazil for Florida, but I guess this guy can’t let it go. The tractor trailer was decorated with Christmas lights back in November & December, and it has loudspeakers that play a crazy variety of music from the US - including “Rock Me Amadeus”, the Ghostbusters Theme, Lil Jon songs, Bruce Springsteen, etc etc.

Has anybody else seen this guy driving around and/or does anybody have any insight as to why he’s still cruising around 5 months after Brazil’s election? I’ve tried finding info about the truck and the driver via Google and Bing, but I haven’t come across any references to it at all. I would imagine he’s probably being paid by Bolsonaro’s supporters to do this - I’d be surprised if he was working as an independent contractor hauling liquids for an actual company around here, with the crazy loudspeakers & endorsement of fascism and all.

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versus_gravity t1_jd52gqu wrote

Oh, the irony of playing Falco (or Bruce), but of course dumbasses who pull this crap aren't capable of grasping that. Falco was Austrian, btw.

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StavrosKatsopolis t1_jd5646j wrote

They are just like Trump supporters. They love clinging to losers and lost causes. You'll never meet a more pathetic political bunch than the far-right.

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Ayoxtina t1_jd5l1az wrote

I saw this guy in downtown New Brunswick a few weeks ago, right in the middle of the day! He was blasting YMCA that instance.

Thanks for this post. No one believed me and I felt like a nut!

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JCwhatimsayin t1_jd4v3q9 wrote

Yup, seen him in Kearny Point. I was on foot when he drove by me and I couldn't understand where the music was coming from. He also has a video screen mounted between the truck and trailer. Total nut.

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Slagathor0 t1_jd5n18a wrote

If he is working for a company as an independent contractor there has to be a company name on the door, his own or whoever he is working for.

I made a call to someone in the industry (dry bulk) that works in the area but they hadn't seen the truck.

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ChocolatePleepleus t1_jd47acx wrote

Y'all never been to the Ironbound I guess. Bolsonaro central.

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Rainbowrobb t1_jd4b8xx wrote

I'll never understand that perspective from a dense population of (largely undocumented, based on my time in 2017-2019 working on the ACS survey for the census bureau) immigrants

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Nyne9 t1_jd5fzns wrote

Punching down. They escaped and now shit on others trying to do the same.

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Rainbowrobb t1_jd5k875 wrote

Logical answer if not depressing.

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Nyne9 t1_jd5ly98 wrote

I guess "pulling up the ladder" is more apt, but still as depressing. Just despicable behavior.

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throw495887 t1_jd4ls7o wrote

The ironbound is probably 80% hispanic by now. Portuguese and Brazilians are a minority but when it comes to the bolsonaro people they’re a loud one.

Also in my experience the Portuguese-speaking demographic in Newark tends to be the more well-off, landlord/business owner type. Not the same group as the undocumented immigrants you’re thinking of

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CKtheFourth t1_jd63st3 wrote

It's not just those years. You can find political cartoons from the 1800s of immigrants who just got off the boat & turn around to yell at the people behind them for being immigrants.

But, take the immigrant idea out of it & you have the MAGA movement. Why are a bunch of people who claim they've been left behind by their government choosing to elect a dipshit who promotes policies that leave them behind even more?

When you feel like the victim, you get recruited someone who can convince you they're strong.

EDIT: Hey, I found the cartoon I was thinking of. Man this internet machine really does have everything!

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currently__working t1_jd4fji4 wrote

Really? Damn that sucks.

Edit: also if you want to name and shame any restaurants who do that, so I stop going there...

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semisemite t1_jd68tzg wrote

I'm right across the river and it seems like every third giant-ass pickup has a Fascist sticker plastered on the back...

Had the good fortune to be able to give the finger to the driver of this piece of poop. I'm guessing he gets that a lot

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Soggy-Constant5932 t1_jd3z3cm wrote

This truck drives by my job almost daily blasting music. So annoying.

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gordonv t1_jd4fpgd wrote

So... you're saying this thing has a predictable route?

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gordonv t1_jd4kz29 wrote

Or, just get a news crew to cover it.

The news knows how to sell outrage. Especially against someone who goes out of their way to act like this.

It's picked up well in 3 hours on this sub. Would love one of those investigative reports.

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jess91939 t1_jd4k0pe wrote

I'm Brazilian and unfortunately had to do many pro-Bolsonaro things at work, including vehicles similar to this one (but not this one)

Glad he's gone - literally danced at South Mountain when I found out about the election results.

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AccountantOfFraud t1_jd7snkx wrote

When Bolsanaro bragged about seducing a 14 year old Venezuelan girl and the PR response of the right-wing media is to plaster "Bolsonaro noa e pedofilo" as the headline was fucking hilarious.

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jess91939 t1_jd7w4u4 wrote

I had a gay friend cry himself to sleep when he was elected. You cannot get an example of better individual than my friend. As a matter of fact, he walked me down the aisle when I got married. That's when I got really, really scared - for his safety and well being. We didn't know if he was gonna make it out alive at the end of Bolsonaro's 4 years.

That's how bad this guy is.

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AccountantOfFraud t1_jd7wi5c wrote

I believe it. Hoping they can get fascists out of government soon. Think the have a majority still in their version of congress.

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SeparateAddress9070 t1_jd3qjh4 wrote

There's some wealthy piece of shit living in Montville near the dunkin donuts that has bolsonaro stickers on his car.

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quay-cur t1_jd528yi wrote

And to think I thought it was weird to see a “thank you Ron desantis” sticker in NJ.

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JerseyGiantsFan OP t1_jd3tll7 wrote

Huh. Montville is only a 30-35 minute drive away from here.. I wonder if it’s the same guy or if he pays for the truck or something. They could both be part of some kind of pro-Bolsonaro group, too. (I’m probably reading into it too much tho).

It’s just strange seeing that type of thing around here in our deep-blue northern cities. Especially since Newark & Elizabeth both have a decent sized Brazilian population. Hell, even Trump supporters have enough sense to know not to drive through here with their goofy-ass flags. :-)

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SeparateAddress9070 t1_jd3u27o wrote

I wouldn't be surprised. It was the same banner as the one displayed on that truck.

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Sudovoodoo80 t1_jd4ljtu wrote

Does he know the people of Union County can't vote in Brazilian elections?

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jess91939 t1_jd5zrpz wrote

Voting is mandatory in Brazil regardless of where in the world they live.

So yes... Brazilians in Union County are obligated to vote.

Source: myself, a Brazilian living in Union County.

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iamstrugglin t1_jd7a2rq wrote

Didn't know this. What are the repercussions for not participating?

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jess91939 t1_jd7dge4 wrote

Fines when you arrive in the country, not being able to renew passports, among other things. You can abstain but you have to tell them why you couldn't vote. For instance, if you live in Utah and your nearest consulate / voting site is in Florida (just random states, not necessarily true), or if you're sick and can't go, then you'd have to send in a form with proof explaining why you didn't vote.

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dsutari t1_jd45h83 wrote

They lost and can't come to terms with it. This is their copium.

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TastyAgency4604 t1_jd44uz9 wrote

Don't forget how he goes on fb every night to complain about the price of gas. That thing looks pretty fuel efficient tho 🤔

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ra3ra31010 t1_jd58g8f wrote

That jackass is in my birth state… Florida

Florida is the Russia of the West….. run by a Governor from Guantanamo accused of watching torture and whose past students say he downplayed slavery and racism in the south, in a state that supported pill mills on every corner to jump start the drug epidemic, and in a State that protected and enabled Jeffrey Epstein until NY got their hands in him (Gaetz is in the perfect state)

Back to the main point: Bolsonaro is right where he is wanted - and it’s quite heartbreaking. Florida is where conservatives go to live and hurt others on another day

Bunch of people hitting their own fingers with a hammer, then they peek around for the closest non-conservative to point at and say “they did it! Attack!”

May the federal government one day help ALL Floridians again. (I have NO faith in the state government) Even in 1967, all but one politician voted against the Civil Rights Act. (Ending Jim Crow laws). Florida is going back to its oppressive roots and welcoming/protecting those who want in on it.

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Most-Skill4349 t1_jd4n0ip wrote

I wish people this state would stop bringing their foreign political opinions here because it’s starting to influence our own policies. Ask Edison resident how that’s going for them

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WaldoJeffers65 t1_jd4kt0s wrote

My new next-door neighbor was having a ton of renovation work done on his house last year. We wanted to get some work done, too, and wanted to talk to his contractor. That is, until I noticed all the Bolsonaro stickers on their trucks.

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therewillbeblunts t1_jd4pl1b wrote

Saw this guy on Morris Ave before the election. Yeah there's plenty of Brazilians around here but who is he speaking to really? Can you vote from abroad in Brazil or is it more about giving the finger to anti-fascists in New Jersey?

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quay-cur t1_jd52d98 wrote

Probably the latter. Fascists love thinking they’re triggering people.

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fofofofofofofofo t1_jd5al8j wrote

You can vote from abroad yeah, in fact you're legally required to if you're near a consulate (in NJ's case, the NYC consulate)

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its_broo_skeh_tuh t1_jd6kujn wrote

You can and are sort of required to if you are abroad. You can get exemptions but it’s hard to justify when the Brazilian consulate is so close. There were a few public gatherings in NYC where voters kind of protested at each other. So I guess it’s for other brazilians

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-686 t1_jd47k92 wrote

Fuck that guy

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FishballJohnny t1_jd496dg wrote

some dude can't get over it. big deal. lodge a noise complaint with the local authority

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gordonv t1_jd4g9oj wrote

Bolsonaro sounds like another IPA Craft Beer.

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tomakeyan t1_jd4h6cn wrote

I have a picture of an amazon truck with Bolsonaro propaganda

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Liveslowdieslower t1_jd4ppo0 wrote

But yet this ding dong will complain about the high price of diesel and blame Biden.

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Starbucks__Lovers t1_jd3xwyq wrote

A dude in a Camry with a Bolsonaro bumper sticker cut my wife off on 24 yesterday

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Annefrizzy t1_jd476g3 wrote

Let’s hear the music..?

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dr1968 t1_jd49w7x wrote

Wow, that's weird. To me anyway.

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GooseNYC t1_jd4l0l7 wrote

If he's blasting things from a loudspeaker call the cops.

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danielhaven t1_jd56va3 wrote

I’m a little out of the loop. What did Bolsonaro do?

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bros402 t1_jd5bxa1 wrote

cut down a fuckton of the amazon

his supporters tried to do a january 6th, but the Brazillian authorities actually stopped it when the people approached the federal buildings

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danielhaven t1_jd5c8oj wrote

Anything else?

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its_broo_skeh_tuh t1_jd6lsvq wrote

Horrible mismanagement of the covid response, in his efforts to deforest the Amazon he displaced many people, he said his son would be dead to him if he was gay, and also lowered barriers to get access to firearms which led to a huge jump in firearm ownership despite the country having way too many problems with gun violence already.

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tr1mble t1_jd5dg7r wrote

So this is why my pbr dividends might be going away 🤔

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dinosaurjr87 t1_jd5hy4y wrote

Brazilian bbq place in long branch always has cars with bolsonaro stickers and flags on them in the parking lot.

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Engibineer t1_jd5idad wrote

Is he still hiding in Florida?

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MeatTornadoGold t1_jd5uox0 wrote

Pretty sure, at least in my town, it's illegal for him to have it loud enough that it can be heard 50 feet away. Maybe try blasting phone calls to the police about him?

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Frapplo t1_jd60mda wrote

Is that a septic truck?

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Cobra800089 t1_jd6e6vt wrote

They had a whole parade of trucks/cars with Bolsonaro flags and signs in the ironbound in Newark the day of the Brazilian election. It was pretty surreal.

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Weirdskinnydog t1_jd6wixe wrote

Omg I was behind them in Monmouth county a few weeks ago! I tried getting a video to send to a friend, it was so wild to see here of all places

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adiabatic-mind t1_jd7sboj wrote

I commute through Newark and I see these trucks everywhere.

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Acceptable_Reading21 t1_jd7ugk9 wrote

I drive on 295 every morning and there's a guy in an SUV that has a Bolsonaro sticker that covers his entire back window.

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nycnola t1_jd8t21k wrote

I’ve seen people driving around with bolsonaro signs on their trucks. I laugh, ideally point and laugh when I pull up next to them, and move on with my life.

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rokrishnan t1_jd8tz88 wrote

I saw this yesterday while taking a Lyft home from EWR. Crazy! Almost couldn't believe what I was seeing.

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Jybro_3 t1_jd8x0ox wrote

isn’t Bolsonaro the president of Brazil??????

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JerseyGiantsFan OP t1_jd4rvkn wrote

Yeah, I’m not going to get into a pissing match with someone who still uses the word “libtard” unironically and doesn’t know the difference between “one” and “won”. You know exactly what I (and plenty of others in this thread, in New Jersey and in the USA at large) mean when we mention fascism, dictatorship, authoritarianism, autocratic rule, tyranny, etc etc.

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GreaterMintopia t1_jd8cm4j wrote

we aren’t even on the same continent as this guy, and his own people didn’t re-elect him. this is somehow even more pathetic than Trump supporter copium

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nacho78 t1_jd4xo7n wrote

Brazilian retards have to let everyone know.

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LampardFanAlways t1_jd3v6ck wrote

The loud music is an issue. How’s his support for some politician in another country an issue? Do you want a Brazilian to tell you whom to vote for? If not, then it’s not fair you tell a Brazilian whom to vote for.

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Fryceratops t1_jd40feq wrote

Bolsonaro is an outright fascist. It is never ok to support fascism.

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LampardFanAlways t1_jd41nse wrote

Do you discriminate against Republican supporters at your workplace? Cos some people may argue that Republicans are fascist too.

Fascism is the opposite of what democracy stands for, I get it. But retaliating against someone for a choice they have made in an election isn’t what democracy stands for either. “Fuck Bolsonaro” doesn’t have to translate into “fuck this specific Brazilian for voting for him”.

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Fryceratops t1_jd446n2 wrote

None of my coworkers are republicans. Some republicans are overtly advocating fascism most notably Trump and DeSantis.

You are the problem then. Fascism is historically stopped by calling folks out for supporting it before it takes hold as the only other way that fascism ends is with a war.

Calling out your friends, colleagues and coworkers for supporting fascism is the better choice considering the other options

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SprintAirlines t1_jd49byh wrote

There are definitely Republicans where you work. We just don't advertise it because of nutjobs like yourself. We just go and quietly vote.

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Fryceratops t1_jd4a12f wrote

There are 5 people at my job so I can say that no one is republican here. Remember you don't know me or anything about me.

The GOP is overtly against all Americans having equal rights. Why would you support that?

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BeamerTakesManhattan t1_jdd27z5 wrote

> Do you discriminate against Republican supporters at your workplace?

No, because the loud conservatives, like this guy, don't have jobs, let alone highly skilled ones that require years of education.

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JerseyGiantsFan OP t1_jd3xayi wrote

The election was held months ago. I’m not over here soapboxing or telling anyone in Brazil who to vote for. It just irks me to see someone in the USA rally around & advertise for a wannabe dictator - especially with the current political climate here. I’d feel the same way & express the same opinion if it was an 18-wheeler promoting Erdogan, Putin or Duerte.

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New_Stats t1_jd3xdab wrote

Don't worry guys, I got this one

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Fascism bad, LampardFan. Fascism always bad. This is the objective truth, not up for debate. Tolerating it means you're tolerating tyranny, and that's unwholly unamerican. Furthermore, fuck your ideas on what's fair, if we listened to people like we, we'd be ruled by tyrants. Brazil voted out this fascist fuck, and rightly so.

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LampardFanAlways t1_jd3zfl8 wrote

Brazil did that and did so in a fair election and they made that decision. They didn’t do it for Americans to acknowledge their disdain for fascism. They did cos they looked at two options and picked one that they thought is better and in this case it aligns with what you think but they didn’t do it for you.

But the very idea of imposing over a democratic nation about who should or shouldn’t win is not ideal for the sovereignty of that country. Be it a fascist presidential candidate or a dimwit presidential candidate or a corrupt presidential candidate (all three can be the same person, LOL), you don’t want to be told by a non American that it is wrong to vote for that candidate. They may be right but you don’t have to buy it cos they said it. You vote on what benefits your country. Extend the same to others cos rules that hold for them should hold for you too.

Fascism always bad, yes. So if you were hypothetically a Brazilian, you’d do well to not vote for one there, yes. But singling out Bolsonaro supporters here is against the principles of democracy. You don’t want to be discriminated against based on who you vote for here, why is it okay to discriminate against someone based on who they voted for in their own country?

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New_Stats t1_jd41zj6 wrote

here's the thing that's so amusing. OP didn't even say anything about who to vote for in the Brazilian election, which already happened, so what exactly are you babbling about?

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You're either horrible at both reading comprehension and figuring out how linear time works, or you're just trying to get people to shut up about fascism. My guess is the latter, because I just don't think you're that dumb for it to be the former

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>But the very idea of imposing over a democratic nation about who should or shouldn’t win is not ideal for the sovereignty of that country. you.

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There was no imposing, people are allowed to speak freely about whatever they want, it's called free speech and it's essential to democracy. Conflating the two is dangerously pro authoritarian

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Fryceratops t1_jd40oqp wrote

You need to read Karl Popper's bit on the tolerance of intolerance and why it is 100% a bad idea.

Always decry fascism no matter where.

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thethingfrombeyond t1_jd4aa8z wrote

The USA annihilated Brazil's sovereignty when the CIA instigated operation car wash. Dems and republicans are indistinguishable besides abortion and gay rights. Lula, while a liberal, fights for indigenous rights, among other important issues. I don't care if someone voted trump because he and his base are incompetent idiots. Bolsonaro's aren't incompetent. They commit political violence with greater frequency than that which happens here. Plenty of people here vote in Brazilian elections against the interest of their loved ones. I have every right to tell them to get fucked if they vote against mine.

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