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stickman07738 t1_j71jg3p wrote

LOL, and forgive her for taking $5B from the pension funds to balance the state budget. Let us not forget.

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A_Downboat_Is_A_Sub t1_j72xwhx wrote

The budget hole she partly created by cutting NJ income taxes by 30%, which accelerated the rise of property taxes, because by law 100% of state income tax went to property tax relief through local funding and tax credits for seniors and low/middle income earners.

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Fryceratops t1_j741uzo wrote

Which no one ever fixed

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stickman07738 t1_j7439mo wrote

Trying now but slow go. Christie did not have funds and Murphy is meeting his legal obligations

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Fryceratops t1_j743h07 wrote

We have had almost thirty years. We had several governors aside from those you mention

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stickman07738 t1_j744nl3 wrote

Yes, but the hole was dug and until Christie, they used same strategy to balance the budget, that is reason we needed common sense legislation. UFB

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ImaginaryRoads t1_j714bqs wrote

The person who illegally bulldozed the Camden riverfront in an attempt to impress the Republican convention in Philly? Fuck her too.

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rhubarbpitts t1_j720nef wrote

I’m with you this is historical revisionism on her part, presenting herself as a ‘more rational’ Republican. She did the most damage to NJ finances of any governor in the past thirty years with her bond shenanigans.

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newwriter365 t1_j71t2et wrote

When one considers her history, I don't know that I'd look to her to create a new party. She's not exactly a model of excellence.

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BlueBeagle8 t1_j726lsg wrote

"Whitman said that the Forward Party was, unlike the Democratic and Republican Parties, not necessarily fixed to a specific platform"

Imagine interviewing for any other job like "I have no particular plans or ideas for what to do, I just want the title."

The good news is, as dumb as American voters may be, we're not dumb enough to fall for this scam.

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Senior-Sharpie t1_j72efg3 wrote

The same former governor who donned a white sweat suit and did a ride along with cops and posed with a young black kid being frisked as a photo op stunt? Also as head of George W’s EPA assured everyone that the air was safe to breathe at ground zero after 9-11?

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Wzd_JA t1_j72ioff wrote

Translation to reality: former Governor Whitman wants to steal just enough votes from democrats to ensure the GQP wins elections

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FragWall OP t1_j71433y wrote

Since it comes up often I thought I'd share this article to clarify for folks who may not be aware: the Forward Party is not going to run a presidential candidate in 2024.

Party co-chair and former New Jersey Governor Christine Todd Whitman:

>"We're not going to be running a presidential candidate in the 2024 elections, we as a board decided that it's just not feasible...we're focused on the ground up. This is a people's movement, a movement that is creating a party."

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jerseycityfrankie t1_j73206r wrote

Imagine saying “people’s movement” with a straight face running as a Republican.

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john4brown t1_j74tbb6 wrote

The air is fine. F’ing liar. Never trust her.

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Castor_and_Pollux123 t1_j71w3sm wrote

About the only good thing she did was removing the HOV lanes from the interstates.

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bunholiothethird t1_j72gw25 wrote

Lmao she wants to merge with Yang’s party? He got sauced in both the presidential and NYC mayoral elections for a reason. People can see past the cover of “compassion and coming together”, these are just limousine liberals.

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luxtabula t1_j715ap9 wrote

I like a lot of what Andrew Yang is proposing. We as citizens need to consider options like ranked choice voting and possibly things like a mixed member district to help reform our incredibly flawed political system.

Even if you don't like the man, consider the ideas and try to propose them to our current representatives. We shouldn't live in a democracy where bribery is legalized in the form of donations, lobbyists have more influence than average citizens, and politicians pass bills and laws to help corporations, not your neighbors. It doesn't have to be two choices, and our current system can be reformed from the bottom up.

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low_effort_shit-post t1_j71poyr wrote

I say fuck him for trying to split progressive votes. The NYC mayor thing was also stupid

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luxtabula t1_j71va3k wrote

You can't split the vote if things like ranked choice voting and mixed member districts exist. Don't you see how what you're worried about is the real problem? Yang is a flawed candidate without a doubt, but those things are actual good ideas that more should consider.

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rhubarbpitts t1_j7208vq wrote

Yeah I like some of these ideas but Yang has all the hallmarks of a grifter. He strikes me as another Krysten Sinema - put on a good show and then fleece the rubes.

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luxtabula t1_j7213t2 wrote

Ok we can say that about him and not vote for him.

But we eventually have to realize these are good ideas and they could help reform our incredibly broken system. It shouldn't be just him proposing it. None of our elected officials are pushing this. And part of the problem is we citizens have gotten used to things being broken.

Andrew Yang shouldn't be the only one seeing issues with the electoral system and trying to fix it. That's the problem. His Forward party puts pressure on our current candidates to consider this stuff or be primaried. Hopefully some of them start shifting.

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low_effort_shit-post t1_j71vqme wrote

I understand that so get rank choice in place before playing around

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luxtabula t1_j71xb54 wrote

How are you supposed to get that in place if you're not elected?

Besides, we don't need him. I never see people taking the good ideas he has and repurposing them. He shouldn't be the only one running on ideas like this, and that's the main problem.

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low_effort_shit-post t1_j71xied wrote

Talk to your current representative

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luxtabula t1_j71xmb3 wrote

I did. They're not interested in it at all.

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low_effort_shit-post t1_j71yq35 wrote

So support someone who does focus on a different level of grain

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luxtabula t1_j71z4ol wrote

You realize you're just parroting all of my points, correct?

Besides this district currently is safe for the representative, so having more people beside me making them aware of it combined with an actual spoiler candidate could make them adopt the ideas.

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specialgravity t1_j770uxr wrote

It seems like these well intentioned progressive agendas around alternative ways of counting votes always backfire. Every year California is clenching its butthole either due to their free for all primary that can result in two far right candidates if enough liberals split the votes or it’s brain dead recall system.

In NYC we saw the liberal candidates split the ticket and lead to Adams becoming the nominee. It turned out that the far left voters mostly only voted for their candidate and left the Adams alternative out to dry (I forgot these peoples names sorry). Really we wasted a lot of time and resources on possibly the same result or actually prevented an Adams alternative from being viable because the left still only wants to vote for their preferred candidate and their candidate only. Finally in Maine ranked choice helped Susan Collins get re-elected. Time and time again the left is unable to compromise while the right falls in line. I much prefer the system we have where we’re forced to choose. We may have never had Governor Murphy with ranked choice.

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Fryceratops t1_j742ar0 wrote

You gave a flawed understanding of lobbying. The most powerful lobby in the USA is The AARP which represents retired people. They give very little money BUT they have a huge base of the most reliable voters. That grants them power. Lobbying isn't just handing out cash

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