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smartest_kobold t1_j1s1182 wrote

A mentally unwell homeless woman who has just given birth and has a history of bad interactions with the police doesn't want to cooperate with the cops.

Understandable, if not reasonable.

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hopefully-a-good-buy t1_j1s64c9 wrote

debatable. there’s a baby’s life at stake…..

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NHGuy t1_j1s7ec2 wrote

Debatable how? That a person who hasn't cooperated with the police in the past doesn't again is debatable? I'm confused

Edit - before I get downvoted into oblivion... I'm not saying it's right in the slightest. Totally with every other sensible person that it's absolutely unacceptable. But clearly she has issues

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hopefully-a-good-buy t1_j1sbjw5 wrote

to clarify i’m saying it’s debatable that her actions are reasonable. of course her actions are understandable, that’s a given if she’s mentally ill.

just because you’ve had bad experiences in the past doesn’t justify keeping an infant away from those trying to help, especially if she’s homeless in these weather conditions. it’s a negligent disregard to human life, and if she’s mentally ill that could be the reason it’s happening but doesn’t change the core of the issue.

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NHGuy t1_j1sccu4 wrote

I think they meant "not reasonable" and probably should have said "unreasonable" instead

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Greeneggplusthing2 t1_j1t7nus wrote

I didn't expect to find a reasonable comment that expanded the conversation and didn't immediately bash the hell out of anyone. Thank you!

I hope the poor baby gets the help they need asap. I hope the poor mama gets the help that she needs asap. I hope the family as a whole can heal. Criminal charges will not help any of this happen.

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1WantT0Bel1eve t1_j1udykq wrote

This. Here is someone who needs help, and whose illness has probably led to them rejecting it. I hope the baby survives, and everyone gets help.

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clickmahheels t1_j1u26lw wrote

Many people commit crimes for understandable reasons, but that doesn’t reduce the criminality.

A woman should be able to give birth wherever she wants, but if she leaves the baby to freeze to death that’s a big problem.

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smartest_kobold t1_j1u4kwa wrote

If people aren't forced into these kinds of situations, there are a lot fewer reasons. If a woman walks off from her baby in a hospital, that's not even a crime.

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clickmahheels t1_j1u4ufj wrote

We specifically have laws that allow people to abandon their children in safe places. No one is forced to be a parent, but you definitely can’t let a child in your care die of neglect.

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smartest_kobold t1_j1u6e23 wrote

Specifically the point. If she had been able to have a baby where babies are had and not in a tent in winter, there wouldn't have been a crime.

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mycopportunity t1_j1un4g7 wrote

If she had gone to a hospital they would have cared for her and her baby

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smartest_kobold t1_j1ur4oa wrote

Maybe! Do you know which hospitals in Manchester practice patient dumping?

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mycopportunity t1_j1ut9d4 wrote

Which hospitals don't? A pregnant woman showing up ready to give birth would receive care though, right? I hope I'm not wrong

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derek_morin1 t1_j1y36kl wrote

If they turned her away she would go from poor to millionaire relatively quick when she was able to sue the hospital.

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clickmahheels t1_j1uy0um wrote

Where does it say she couldn’t go to a hospital? Sounds like she chose not to due to her mental illness and substance abuse.

The article does say she left the baby alone and uncovered in the tent. Did someone make her do that? Was she prevented by society from holding or wrapping her child in her coat?

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yesyesitswayexpired t1_j1wc9jm wrote

Meth made her do that.

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clickmahheels t1_j2423vl wrote

Yes, which is why I understand how these things took place and can have sympathy for the woman.

Being under the influence does not absolve a person of criminal behavior, though, however tragic the situation is. She is extremely lucky that help arrived and her baby was resuscitated, because she could have been responsible for so much worse.

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Mangoinmysushi t1_j1t4sxt wrote

Oh yes it’s the fault of the police that she’s a scum bag. Fuck outa here man😂 Only on Reddit

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petergriffin999 t1_j1sut8o wrote

Leave it to this guy to take this thread and put it in an anti-police light.

You know, those save police who wouldn't give up after the misdirection, found a newborn in the cold, and probably saved his life.

You hate police so much, that you try to even turn this thread into an anti-police rant. SMH.

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smartest_kobold t1_j1t4r8c wrote

A mentally ill woman lives in a camping tent. She gave birth seemingly by herself in freezing weather.

The first time help is offered is in the form of police coming to take that newborn away. Let's not bullshit here, that woman didn't have the resources to care for a newborn and that baby wasn't staying there.

That is a brutal system.

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-cochise t1_j1t72ur wrote

She already had an existing warrant out for child endangerment dude, you can stop carrying water for her. She’d been offered help and “help” many times, and her family is one of great means. Some people just fuck up a lot and they fuck up hard.

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