Submitted by Hoosac_Love t3_124jttn in massachusetts
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Hoosac_Love OP t1_jdzoceo wrote
Lol đ right
SouthShoreSerenade t1_jdzpu4f wrote
Piss on your guns.
SomeSortofDisaster t1_jdzqa4b wrote
And that will accomplish...?
The_eldritch_bitch t1_jdzs2ew wrote
Is a patrol rifle the same as an assault rifle?
Hoosac_Love OP t1_jdzuoa5 wrote
An assault rifle is more of an adjective than a noun but yes in general they are using .223/5.6mm AR rifles which in our hands would be called assault weapons.
These terms are more adjective than noun
Cerberus73 t1_jdzux3h wrote
I prefer a good gun oil, thanks.
mattgm1995 t1_jdzv7rg wrote
Lol. And hereâs the problem with people in our state. No one even knows what an AR is but they want to ban it. The current AWB is clearly written by someone with no understanding of guns.
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warlocc_ t1_jdzwmdf wrote
Funny how we all notice that about every article on the topic, but the media themselves doesn't seem to notice.
Hoosac_Love OP t1_jdzxsgk wrote
Been all over the news for about a week now
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melissafromtherivah t1_jdzym0j wrote
The weapon stolen was an M4, they mentioned it very early on when it first happened.
Clamgravy t1_jdzz8b2 wrote
AnD hErE'S tHe PrObLeM wItH pEoPlE iN oUr StAtE
Hoosac_Love OP t1_jdzzld9 wrote
I have no recollection of a specific model/caliber ever mentioned in any article I read or posted,i posted myself the theft original article,the safe recovery follow up article and this mornings teens arrested article.I have no recollection.
I believe you ,the M4 Carbine is a shoter barreled lighter weight version in the .223/5.6mm caliber that is the same as the M16/AR-15
If one was keeping a rifle in their car they'd want the light weight carbine model.
The_eldritch_bitch t1_jdzzljw wrote
I should have added an /s tag. Itâs a post-ban, fully-auto, large capacity, patrol-assault rifle if we want to add all the MA qualifiers.
jp_jellyroll t1_jdzzqnz wrote
*wipes with bare hand*
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Hoosac_Love OP t1_je009ck wrote
Are police allowed auto burst military style weapons,I thought polive were only allowed high capacity magazine semi-auto's
yourboibigsmoi808 t1_je00ey1 wrote
Remind me why itâs âsafeâ for Police to have Arâs and Glocks but as soon as a normal person gets one itâs considered a âdangerous â weapon
Hoosac_Love OP t1_je00ozy wrote
It appears the police actually had a M4 Carbine , actually much more dangerous than a AR or Glock
It's beyond that
yourboibigsmoi808 t1_je00sbl wrote
How the hell did he get an M4?!?!?!
The_eldritch_bitch t1_je011y7 wrote
Idk, donât they have m16s which are fully auto?
Hoosac_Love OP t1_je014ua wrote
Another poster on this thread made that claim not me,ask them!I had thought it was am AR too.
DirkyDee t1_je0184f wrote
When this story first broke the police thought it were experts who broke into the vehicle because they knew exactly where to look and how to break the locks.
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14 and 15 year old experts đ¤Łđ¤Ł
Coerced_onto_reddit t1_je01kay wrote
Iâm not pro or anti gun - I definitely think there needs to be more effective regulation - but one thing that I see often is a dismissal of a comment like this guyâs. Something like âpeople writing the legislation obviously donât know anything about guns!â
If some time is taken to gain education about the weapons and their characteristics, it would probably make it easier to draft more specific (and hopefully effective) legislation. It would also take away the âyou donât know anything about guns!â Defense used by a lot of pro gun people/groups whenever this conversation inevitably rears its ugly head again
melissafromtherivah t1_je01l6c wrote
It was stated on channel 4 WBZ the cbs affiliate the day it happened. Iâm sure they have not wanted to publicize it over and over again, itâs not a good look!
GARGLE_TAINT_SWEAT t1_je01p9d wrote
That actually depends on the M16. M16A1 and M16A3 are the full auto variants. A2/A4 are safe-semi-burst. I imagine that most cops have either A4s or M4s which are also largely safe-semi-burst.
NoMoLerking t1_je01pwh wrote
Thing is, they know exactly what theyâre doing.
shockandawesome0 t1_je01rst wrote
Man, cops are dumb as hell. "Hmm, I think I'll check the trunk" and "knowing how to jimmy a lock" don't exactly require a PhD lol
melissafromtherivah t1_je01ssr wrote
Hoosac_Love OP t1_je022bp wrote
Ok ,understood
NoMoLerking t1_je024eo wrote
Much more likely the door was unlocked and the key to the mount hasnât been seen since 2021.
TzarKazm t1_je02adk wrote
Yea I have had thus conversation more than once with my MIL. "They should ban assault weapons. " "ok, what does that mean?" "You know, the assault ones."
I don't own any guns so I don't have any skin in the game, but it's tough to have a productive discussion when one person has no idea what they even want.
Hoosac_Love OP t1_je02dvs wrote
I don't have TV, only Netflix and no local or cable TV ,I read the Globe and necn.com online.
melissafromtherivah t1_je02jpu wrote
Yeah no worries. You can get pretty accurate content on the web via the local news affiliates
UltravioletClearance t1_je02m6e wrote
Shh don't let facts get in the way of gun nuts pretending to be oppressed.
Hoosac_Love OP t1_je02vwu wrote
The M4 Carbine just just a lighter weight shorter barrel M16 Same 223 5.6 mm round
mattgm1995 t1_je03mp8 wrote
They donât! My point is they ban âassault weaponsâ but you can still buy a SCAR in MA, you can still by an AR15 in MA, you can still get large capacity mags as long as they were made before 1994 in MA. Itâs not dismissive, im saying lawmakers legitimately do not understand. The laws do literally nothing!
mattgm1995 t1_je03utr wrote
You can mock me and downvote me if you want, but hear me out. They donât! My point we already have an âassault weapons banâ in MA, but you can still buy a SCAR in MA, you can still by an AR15 in MA, you can still get large capacity mags as long as they were made before 1994 in MA (theyâre only $40) Itâs not a dismissive comment, im saying lawmakers legitimately do not understand. The laws do literally nothing!
The_eldritch_bitch t1_je0478o wrote
LOL that explains the quick language pivot to âpatrol rifleâ
Hoosac_Love OP t1_je04878 wrote
Getting news is no problem online ,I really miss watching the Red Sox live though.
The_eldritch_bitch t1_je049l8 wrote
Will the trooper be named?
melissafromtherivah t1_je04frd wrote
I have a digital antenna. Recommend getting one for local broadcasts
melissafromtherivah t1_je04ht7 wrote
Yes it does!
Hoosac_Love OP t1_je05oy4 wrote
So sort of like digital rabbit ears for local channels.
I'm in the Berkshires ,an hour west of Springfield and an hour east of Albany and I don't know if digital rabbit ears go that far and I don't think Pittsfield has a TV station.
Hoosac_Love OP t1_je06hey wrote
I wouldn't know such a issue of future information but so far no reports on an ID.I checked the State Police Facebook page and this issue has not even been posted or commented on so far.
dante662 t1_je07yh8 wrote
They broke the window but I'll bet a whole US dollar the rifle wasn't locked into the secure mount.
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Getting it out of the mount would have been difficult if it was locked, unless the whole mount itself was removed.
NoMoLerking t1_je0842u wrote
They broke the window? Or the window was broken? I know what Iâd do if I came back to my unlocked cruiser and found the rifle missing.
dante662 t1_je08cc3 wrote
Police are "allowed" any firearm sold in the USA or fielded by the military. While technically giving a machine gun to a poorly trained cop is a bad idea, there's no law against it.
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Any police officer can buy any firearm they want. Technically it needs to be "for work" but many get them for personal reasons.
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There's been a few cops arrested/fired for abusing this ability and re-selling those same firearms on the private market. Because, for example, a modern Glock pistol cannot be transferred to a buyer in the state of Massachusetts by a gun store (FFL holder). But, you can sell one in a private sale. Welcome to loopholesville, because police can buy all the glock pistols they want and then resell them that a tidy profit (due to the soft ban in this state, Glock pistols and other restricted firearms sell for extremely high markups on the secondary market).
SomeSortofDisaster t1_je08fxk wrote
I'm not an expert on police issued lockable mounts but if they're anything like the standard gun lock you can pick them with a slotted screwdriver or hair pin.
dante662 t1_je08l5k wrote
Because police are "trained".
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Actually, no they are not. Most barely pass their annual qualifiers and after X years of service they no longer even have to do that.
dante662 t1_je08u0f wrote
Perhaps the teens are fans of the Lock Picking Lawyer on youtube!
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It probably is pretty easy to pick, but shit stealing a fucking carbine from a state trooper's cruiser would have my hands shaking.
dante662 t1_je08w84 wrote
All I know is when they towed the cruiser one of the windows was broken.
Hoosac_Love OP t1_je094go wrote
Wow,never knew that ,I always wondered why Jurek Brothers sporting goods in Greenfield had a police only back room ,I guess there is the answer .
SomeSortofDisaster t1_je09e9v wrote
>Lock Picking Lawyer
Guy has saved me so much time and frustration
Proof-Variation7005 t1_je09g9n wrote
Is the broken window definitely confirmed? I didn't really see that in any of the reports and it seems like they'd just explicitly say that.
snoogins355 t1_je0a6o1 wrote
I prefer to call it a big boom boom stick
djsmith89 t1_je0akx8 wrote
Because police departments can purchase newly manufactured machine guns
[deleted] t1_je0bat1 wrote
Yes. Cops in US have military gear its insane.
jp_jellyroll t1_je0d60n wrote
>The laws do literally nothing!
Throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The gun laws aren't perfect. We get that. But there is a direct correlation between gun laws, gun ownership, and death by guns. If there are more guns available, if it's easier to get those guns, then there are more people dying by those guns.
MA has some of the strictest gun laws in the country and also one of the lowest rates of gun deaths in the country.
It's just like smoking laws. If you make cigs cheap, easy to get, no ID, allow smoking everywhere... then more people will smoke and subsequently die from lung cancer. Even people who don't smoke will die. If you ban cigs, tax them, ban indoor smoking, etc, then fewer people will smoke and, thus, fewer people will die from lung cancer.
joeltb t1_je0e7f8 wrote
This reminds me of the time my dad borrowed the Chief of Police's personal truck to make a dump run. When he got home my dad found the police issued hand gun in the back seat unsecured and in plain sight. The whole time my dad was driving the truck around with that just rollin' around in the back.
mattgm1995 t1_je0ezag wrote
I didnât say throw them out! Lol taking words completely out of context. All Iâm saying is it would do the public and our legislators a good service to better educate themselves.
Also counterpoint: NH has almost no gun laws and the lowest rate of gun crime in the nation. Correlation â causation
SheeEttin t1_je0fugu wrote
The department goes to a supplier and orders it?
A real true M4 isn't really obtainable outside the military, but a generic AR in the exact same configuration is relatively easy to get. (Though for private non-LEO citizens, you can't have full auto without shelling out several thousand for the transferable machinegun lower receiver.)
MammothCat1 t1_je0gmno wrote
You'd think with how much the LPL does they'd make better locks. Nope, he even slapped one open....
Shufflebuzz t1_je0kka1 wrote
> Getting it out of the mount would have been difficult if it was locked, unless the whole mount itself was removed.
throwsplasticattrees t1_je0l2tp wrote
Release the trooper's name. If this happened to a civilian, their name would be released by the press. There is no valid reason for protecting this Trooper's identity.
Ideally, his name is released stating he has been relieved of duty and decertified as a law enforcement officer.
greyrabbit12 t1_je0l3ic wrote
Anyone thinking the gun has a gps in it?
Hoosac_Love OP t1_je0luxs wrote
I can't answer if guns can have a GPS in them but likely if this one had it would have been found sooner .
Hoosac_Love OP t1_je0m51n wrote
Call the Boston Globe
GRADIUSIC_CYBER t1_je0plpk wrote
boom stick is a shotgun, do you even Evil Dead
Workacct1999 t1_je0qs9p wrote
My God, you are so oppressed!
COVID_2019 t1_je0slga wrote
Didn't he do a video one time about police vehicle locks? I thought I remembered the lock being magnetic, so all you had to do was put a magnet up to it to unlock it. Could be remembering someone else as well.
brufleth t1_je0u9xf wrote
> NH has almost no gun laws
That's rich coming from someone saying we all need to be better educated on guns. NH has many many gun laws.
brufleth t1_je0ugaq wrote
Who is saying it is safe for police to have them? Seriously. Who?
DarthT15 t1_je0uqvx wrote
>The laws do literally nothing!
Laws are nothing but opinions with the backing of jackbooted thugs
throwsplasticattrees t1_je0vmju wrote
I wasn't trying to call you out OP, you're just sharing the story as posted.
yourboibigsmoi808 t1_je0vv1u wrote
State politicians who make gun laws
Hoosac_Love OP t1_je0vzhl wrote
It's ok I understand Calling to the Boston Globe might not be a bad idea ,maybe they might pressure the police
mattgm1995 t1_je0y4ei wrote
Relative to MA? Which the discussion is focused on? Very few
medforddad t1_je0zctz wrote
> Remind me why itâs âsafeâ for Police to have Arâs and Glocks but as soon as a normal person gets one itâs considered a âdangerous â weapon
Does any person actually hold that view? The type of people who are for more restrictive gun laws on individuals are also the type to not be big fans of the police having more deadly, militaristic weaponry.
NoMoLerking t1_je15e4r wrote
I kind of hope they broke in with a magnet.
snoogins355 t1_je1f3cq wrote
I'm going from Muppet Treasure Island. I need to rewatch that one!
AbidanYre t1_je1f7jn wrote
Those are both the same video.
ben70 t1_je1f9zu wrote
Hey, they were listening to Ed Davis - you knew the bar was low!
Shufflebuzz t1_je1gy4q wrote
ben70 t1_je1hpg4 wrote
The issued rifle would certainly have been in violation of the Mass assault weapons ban, but may also have been further restricted under the National Firearms Act of 1934, which regulates manufacture, sale and ownership of machineguns and short barreled rifles, among other things. Police are exempt from many provisions of the latter, and exempt from the Mass AWB - but it would be extra illegal for non-police to possess such an item.
DillonD t1_je1mzki wrote
What defines an âassault weaponâ is really nonsense. Having a certain grip or magazine size? Really isnât a way to categorize weapons
DillonD t1_je1n6a1 wrote
âPatrol rifleâ aka they slapped a protect and serve sticker on it
DillonD t1_je1nd44 wrote
Because we live in an authoritarian police state that wants to take the means of community defense away from the individual and entrust it into an oppressive institution that has a monopoly on violence.
Hoosac_Love OP t1_je1on87 wrote
And also what is wrong with an assault weapon if used for ethical and lawful purposes.For military,police or civilian self defense or hunting small game even.
A garat wire is deadly if used with nefarious intent.
Some_Ride1014 t1_je1p2hk wrote
How much overtime did the staties put in for, looking for the weapon
rattiestthatuknow t1_je1puw4 wrote
If it was anyone but a copâs gun they would be in more trouble than those kids. Cop probably wonât even get in trouble
Hoosac_Love OP t1_je1r80t wrote
They don't always get in trouble per say but when a cop reports a firearm missing they get sweated by Internal Affairs up the ass.IAB will make there life hell before they decide whether or whether not to file sanctions or charges,a cop doesn't want to lose a gun.
DillonD t1_je1re49 wrote
The working class should be disarmed under no pretext
Hoosac_Love OP t1_je1rnan wrote
Better question,how much overtime was billed relative to the time put in looking Lol
Hoosac_Love OP t1_je1ruvy wrote
What do you mean
peonies_envy t1_je1sqys wrote
Did the cop break the window?
willis936 t1_je1u734 wrote
Name em. I have friends in NH with multiple AR15 platforms with high capacity magazines and silencers.
Constitutional carry, no permits, castle doctrine, state preemption of municipal restrictions. NH gun laws are primarily protections rather than restrictions.
Drix22 t1_je1uj5v wrote
I have a friend who's a police officer in Worcester, I spend more time at the range and do more official trainings than he does annualy, and he states himself as being the average officer.
If we're going to moan about "police are trained" then we should be able to agree that anyone can obtain this kind of training and be on the same foot if not better when it comes to marksmanship and use of force. But instead this is always used as a hard stop- "Police are trained, but you aren't".
Uhh, ok, I did 200 hours of live fire training last year, plus 40 hours of in class time as a non-leo, does that not matter for anything?
Drix22 t1_je1uo3d wrote
Air tag in the stock, lol.
mylies43 t1_je1vm8y wrote
Itll lubricate it and make it shoot faster
WarPuig t1_je1yd7i wrote
Cops? Lying? No way!
Some_Ride1014 t1_je1yghn wrote
EugenioFV t1_je24lco wrote
Schrodinger's rifle.
madtho t1_je25d5s wrote
carrying those post-pubescent balls around in a wheelbarrow!
madtho t1_je25fvm wrote
a Hello Kitty magnet.
Puzzleheaded-Side650 t1_je25k8i wrote
They popped the door lock out to gain access to the cruiser
JaesopPop t1_je2bzb5 wrote
Is there a point in them being named?
JaesopPop t1_je2c3oe wrote
Maybe I missed some information about this story, but what did the trooper do exactly? If it was secured in the car, isnât that how theyâre supposed to keep them?
DeadassBdeadassB t1_je2tnrc wrote
No because assault rifles arenât a real thing. How ever police rifles are the closest thing to what liberals think assault rifles are. Most have full auto capabilities.
DeadassBdeadassB t1_je2trx6 wrote
Most police stations have a few full autos kicking around. Mostly for swat teams and shit
DeadassBdeadassB t1_je2twpc wrote
Just fyi there isnât really a soft ban on most Glocks now, there was quite a few on the approved roster last I checked
DeadassBdeadassB t1_je2u5vf wrote
Nah, the cops stuff is way nicerđ âmilitary gradeâ means the cheapest crap at the lowest price
rufknkidingme t1_je31c7x wrote
Not a car thief but I am pretty sure no one has punched a car doir lock to open a door in about a decade. Way to many easier methods to open a vehicle.
MXC-GuyLedouche t1_je31f8q wrote
In this instance it is a custom M4 built for Airport scenarios. Ranged scope/probably grips for ranged shooting and bullets designed to pierce plane windows.
Not sure if it has full auto but no one shoots carbines like that spray and pray style anyways. "Patrol" rifle just makes it sound like less of an oppressive death stick, as the whole assault rifle thing is just a shitty use of an adjective to sway opinions. For example AR-15 is a specific brand model like mountain dew code red not assault rifle 15 and half the articles that mention them are actually talking about different guns.
Education creates safer gun users and will lead to laws that actually create safer places.
Banning bump stocks then not getting cops in trouble who leave their guns unlocked accomplishes nothing.
Joeldiaz1995 t1_je37eqg wrote
The Approved Firearms Roster is just one hurdle that a handgun has to jump in order to be sold in MA. The other is the AGâs âconsumer protectionâ regulations. (940 CMR 16). The AGO asserts that Glocks donât meet these regulations, so even though theyâre on the roster dealers canât sell them. So there is most definitely still a soft ban on most Glocks in place.
DeadassBdeadassB t1_je3cm83 wrote
Well thatâs just dumbđ why have a roster if it means nothing. MA laws are so stupid
yourboibigsmoi808 t1_je3r959 wrote
Yes literally the politicians who draft gun laws with loopholes for LEOâs to get guns that these same politicians are harping off that are a hazard and too dangerous for people to have hence Ma approved gun roasters but they donât apply for law enforcement. âLaws for thee , but not for meâ
somegridplayer t1_je4lizz wrote
You mean like the surplus humvees they drove around once or twice and are now rotting in a back lot because they can't afford to keep them running?
medforddad t1_je4mll3 wrote
Which politicians exactly? Can you point to someone in the MA legislature who has advocated for stricter gun laws and has advocated for more police access to deadly weapons?
SheeEttin t1_je5fqtz wrote
This is what happens when you legislate without understanding what you're legislating.
peteypaaaablo t1_je8olzf wrote
âWBZ-TV Security Analyst Ed Davis says it's not unusual for some tactical officers to keep their firearms in their vehicles for ready access, but what the intentions are of these thieves raises many more questions.
"That's your fear when you get into an investigation like this. In the back of your mind, you're thinking what's next," Davis said. ⌠I-Team sources said it "appears to be a professional job." As the cruiser was driven from the garage, and then put on a flatbed, a broken lock was visible on the driver's door.
The State Police cruiser was towed away hours after a rifle was stolen from a locked compartment in the SUV. Davis says troopers and officers take many steps to secure their firearms, heightening the concern this was a more sophisticated robbery.
"There is usually a process of things to go through to get that thing open," Davis said. "That would indicate inside knowledge of how systems work. That doesn't mean someone within the police agency, but someone who may work in the industry."
peteypaaaablo t1_je8op88 wrote
Do it, you wonât
peteypaaaablo t1_je8pap9 wrote
MA staties have become way over militarizedâŚthey have more warfighting equipment and non-explosive weaponry than some smaller countries. The pentagon provided the state with bearcats and a bunch of other shit like 10 years agoâŚliterally got equipment meant to fight a war against foreign adversaries lol even according to Boston magazine some literal Tanks
yourboibigsmoi808 t1_je9xvip wrote
Legalize anti tank weapons I guess đ¤ˇââď¸
SomeSortofDisaster t1_jdznq3t wrote
So it's a rifle when a cop leaves it in his car and it gets stolen, but it's an assault weapon when it's properly locked in a safe in my house. Got it.