Submitted by TheFrator t3_z6wmyt in headphones
NFTOxaile t1_iy422ip wrote
Reply to comment by c0ng0pr0 in Just EQ in resolution. by TheFrator
Technicalities are acoustic properties that aren't related to subjective aspects such as tuning or timbre. Technicalities cover areas such as soundstage, resolving ability and attack/decay.
hyde0000 t1_iy49wb9 wrote
Yeah basically this, I've yet to see anyone able to EQ for more accurate imaging, better layering, or faster transients. Though sometimes more treble can give perceived wider/bigger soundstage.
I always think EQ is like saying Corolla at 40 km/h is the same as Ferrari at 40 km/h, therefore they're the same car because they both travel exactly at 40 km/h. To certain extent it's true but doesn't tell the full story.
ThelceWarrior t1_iy4eyla wrote
>Yeah basically this, I've yet to see anyone able to EQ for more accurate imaging, better layering, or faster transients. Though sometimes more treble can give perceived wider/bigger soundstage.
It really doesn't take much to demonstrate that you can indeed EQ to get better technicalities, just buy an in-ear with a shitty FR you can find the graph of online then EQ it to Harman/VDSF or a target that you find "technical", even better if you can use oratory1990's EQ list so that way you can stay sure that you didn't fuck up something in the process too.
While it will never sound exactly the same (Expecially in the "air" section of the FR) as other IEMs EQed to that target you will still get much better technicalities.
NFTOxaile t1_iy54hqg wrote
>IEMs EQed to that target you will still get much better technicalities
No they don't. You perceive the sound as if it was better due to the tuning being more to your liking, but the technicalities are exactly the same as before.
ThelceWarrior t1_iy56r8y wrote
Well that does kinda tell me you didn't actually try doing what I said above, it's expecially apparent with IEMs since you remove a lot of variables with them.
>Technicalities are acoustic properties that aren't related to subjective aspects such as tuning or timbre. Technicalities cover areas such as soundstage, resolving ability and attack/decay.
There are definitely a few things that needs to be said about this statement:
a) Tuning isn't really a subjective aspect but it's very much objective, you may say that tuning preference is subjective but even that could be argued a bit since there is clearly a trend when it comes to preference among the general population.
b) Technicalities are also very much a subjective criteria (As oratory1990 himself noted) and you often have disagreements when it comes to that aspect even among well known reviewers.
c) As you can see from that comment technicalities in general are very much directly related to tuning since in the end that's pretty much the main aspect you have when it comes to audio transducers (Barring audible levels of nonlinear distortion), the thing is that it's generally kinda hard to quantify what aspects of the tuning makes the difference between a "highly resolving transducer" vs one that just has "good timbre" really.
It can be argued that FR graphs aren't the most accurate compared to how they would actually sound in your ears but again eh, it's also the only thing acoustic engineers have to go by when it comes to tuning their stuff besides listening with their own ears (Which are different from yours too) and of course a test group if said manufacturer is big enough.
dongas420 t1_iy4ieul wrote
This is basically how I EQ the Variations to give it faster transients: https://i.imgur.com/E2tHn2C.jpg
The main problem with these EST tribrids that gives them their wispy treble character and slightly smeared transients is that the upper treble rise/fall past 10 kHz isn't properly present. If you listen to cymbals on them, you can easily hear that the shimmer lasts for too long and starts bleeding into other cymbal strikes because of that treble overextension. The slight dip at 10 kHz gives a bit of extra depth (and by extension, better layering), with the 5 kHz notch being necessary to make sure the imaging remains coherent.
hyde0000 t1_iy4pm3n wrote
lol this is the most well explained/reasonable counter argument that I read on reddit. I'm being serious, good job.
My EQ on m PC is currently buggy/not working, once I get it fixed I'll look into it again.
fenrir245 t1_iy7gvne wrote
> Technicalities cover areas such as soundstage, resolving ability and attack/decay.
All of which are way more subjective than tuning.
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