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Spkr_Freekr t1_j8zradf wrote

Reply to comment by Soonerpalmetto88 in [OC] Firearm availability compared to homicide rates around the world by blizzard36

Right? How is it even relevant without the US?

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Soonerpalmetto88 t1_j8zrh10 wrote

I'm not trying to say every statistic has to include the US I'm just saying we have a horrible gun violence problem and it would be nice to see where we stand with these other countries. This statistic in particular is especially relevant.

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Competitive-Bit5659 t1_j8zsyz0 wrote

OP posted the source — the US is that final data point. Not every country is labeled. If you look at the very right, you see Yemen labeled. Yemen is third highest gun ownership. Serbia and then the US are the next two (unlabeled) data points.

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leigh094 t1_j8ztust wrote

I get it cuz it would be really crowded but it seems really unhelpful not it label every point on a non continuous scale. Also, some point of time reference would be really helpful

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[deleted] t1_j8zw0im wrote

thats because it looks like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#/media/File:2019_Gun_ownership_rates_and_gun_homicide_rates_-_developed_world_-_scatter_plot.svg

still a supporter of the 2nd amendment though

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Soonerpalmetto88 t1_j8zw5ye wrote

Doesn't the graph from op show all homicides though, not just fun related?

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[deleted] t1_j8zwcjg wrote

yes his graph is different , was providing a graph based on criteria you were looking for.

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arenalr t1_j9050jf wrote

Me too, that chart when broken down shows some pretty interesting info. Germany for example has quite a high percent of gun owners (30 per 100 inhabitants) with an extremely low homicide rate (0.06 per 100k). It's the 6th most armed country with 12th lowest homicide rate. What's the difference? No fucking clue tbh but I wonder... Similar situation in Switzerland, similarly armed and minus the US it's considered quite high compared to the rest of the world (with easy access to semi and full auto guns) but a very low homicide rate. Hell, if you look at most of the highest armed countries, the top 10 is almost entirely developed countries that happen to also have significantly lower homicide rates. Is gang violence in the US the difference then? Mass shootings too? Honestly pretty surprised by this data

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[deleted] t1_j90bild wrote

I think its because mental health in America is pretty terrible. If you notice on that web page that photo is from we have the highest suicide rate than any other country on that list (out of 70+ countries). Also highest reported crime rates and least solved crime rates as well from other studies

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Clarksp2 t1_j8zs2d3 wrote

US overall would be hard though, since each state has its own gun laws. Some states with the strictest laws have the highest murder rates with firearms, or others have open carry and you see uptick from that as well (any death, in defense or not is considered homicide)

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22marks t1_j8zytpb wrote

Many states have higher populations than countries listed. Iceland only has 375,000 people. It wouldn't even be one of the United State's Top 50 cities. They should do a state breakdown.

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Clarksp2 t1_j900vw6 wrote

Yeah not sure why I was downvoted for saying US is complex enough to not be included in the above graphic and would indeed need its own breakdown

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_DarkWingDuck t1_j905jty wrote

Problem with states strict gun laws have bordering states with lax laws. A federal needs to be implemented at some rate. Hard to argue against in my opinion.

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technicolordreams t1_j902sp7 wrote

I’m wondering if this post is a bait and switch like if you included America you just wouldn’t be able to see the other countries.

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