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liltingly t1_izryu1o wrote

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There’s actually an few animal labs that you have to sign documents to protect their secrecy. Courses like 6.022 end with a vivisection on a live rabbit (killing it at the end) and you basically have to walk a maze to get there and never divulge where it is. There were rats and monkeys and pheasants in that place too.

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drewwil000 t1_izsembt wrote

Wait. Isn’t course 6 computer science? Why would vivisections be done in a course 6 class?

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liltingly t1_izwqg5g wrote

Quantitative physiology 6.02X takes a systems approach to biological processes. Course VI is EECS, so 6.022 uses the lumped circuit abstraction to understand blood pressure regulation and respiration amongst other things. Course VI is not just computer science (VI-III) which people are assuming. And I think now there’s a bajillion sub fields in VI, not just I, II, and III.

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My-Left-Plate t1_izsy3o6 wrote

This person is likely spreading false information. There is no 6.022 class at MIT, and even if there were course 6 is computer science.

I have several friends and a wife who graduated MIT with biology or neuro degrees and none of them have heard of anything g like this.

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charlieplexed t1_iztpkpi wrote

it actually is a class, and I took it before. It's a class listed in multiple departments:

6.022J/2.792J/BEH.371J/HST542J: Quantitative Physiology: Organ Transport Systems

https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/hst-542j-quantitative-physiology-organ-transport-systems-spring-2004/

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My-Left-Plate t1_izuipdy wrote

Yikes. Well color me stupid and call me late for dinner.

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liltingly t1_izwq3es wrote

You’re late for dinner. 6.021 and 6.022 counted together as a lab course as well. Not sure if it is anymore.

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0xnull t1_izunrie wrote

Course 6 renumbered everything this year, if you're looking at the current catalog.

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My-Left-Plate t1_izure9x wrote

That is exactly what I was doing.

Though honestly, I've been boycotting course 6 ever since they got rid of 6.001.

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Opposite_Match5303 t1_izs49ye wrote

Yeah, any time there was a building with card access you used to know it either had animal testing or couse 16/lincoln labs military stuff

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AKiss20 t1_izs7sgd wrote

MIT doesn’t allow classified research on main campus. Under their open research policy, only LL is allowed to do any classified research unless prior approval is given by the provost. https://policies.mit.edu/policies-procedures/140-research-policies-and-public-and-private-support/142-open-research-and-free

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Opposite_Match5303 t1_izs8u85 wrote

It's not classified stuff, but eg building 31 needed to be locked to the public so labs could get funding from the military None of the grad students working on those projects have security clearances or anything, it just helps them get grants

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AKiss20 t1_izsad4h wrote

I worked in 31 for 10 years starting in 2010. It didn’t used to be locked prior to the renovation. Only certain rooms need to be locked and that’s not because of military issues specifically. They locked the building because before the renovation all grad students were in lockable offices. Now it’s all open floor plan and they had issues with some thefts.

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Opposite_Match5303 t1_izse08x wrote

Interesting, I was a grad student in 31 post-renovation and was told the exact opposite by my advisor

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AKiss20 t1_izsnwke wrote

There’s definitely some security around storing proprietary information, but that’s not military specific. In fact it’s sorta the opposite. Afaik the military doesn’t have a way to make information “proprietary” outside of classification (but I’m not an expert, I never worked on any military sponsored research). Private companies that sponsor research, however, almost always have proprietary information agreements and NDAs with academia as research often involves sharing data that is proprietary.

Lincoln Labs and Draper were created specifically to deal with classified research. That way MIT can claim it has an open research policy but still get that sweet DOD money lol.

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Opposite_Match5303 t1_izsoey7 wrote

My understanding was that eg darpa needed some physical security for the spaces their sponsored research took place in

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BUZZUKKA t1_izsslap wrote

There is no “military research” on the MIT campus. All of the military research is just fundamental research with military advisors trying to find military uses. They also do not have any TS/SCI secured buildings for TS research.

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giritrobbins t1_izsjw5k wrote

Physical security as a part of Government research wouldn't surprise me. Even the unclassified stuff tends to require some level of access control.

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