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ThatChapThere OP t1_ix3njyj wrote

Reply to comment by QWERKey-UK in Couple more keycaps spontaneously gave way by ThatChapThere

This debate has been done to death, and people will continue to do what they want.

Edit: Even if you're right, you're just opening a can of worms that has been opened many times before. You're not likely to change many minds, especially those of people on a budget.

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blagflack t1_ix3o59d wrote

Despite enjoying the hobby not everyone can spend ~100$ on a set of keycaps lol

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ThatChapThere OP t1_ix3vqbg wrote

Agreed?

Edit: I post a comment consisting of 2 objectively correct statements: -9 votes. Someone replies to my comment, saying the exact same thing: +9 votes.

Sometimes I just don't understand reddit.

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Rogue-Architect t1_ix4i864 wrote

Just to clarify the confusion. You are wrong.

The “debate” is people making excuses for trashy behavior that DIRECTLY effects the people of this community in a negative way. If you want to steal from corporate store, at least you have an argument but you are supporting theft from your fellow member of this community. So no, screw you and go away. You support theft from this community and worse off you try to explain it away and encourage it for others.

Please go away.

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ThatChapThere OP t1_ix4khpc wrote

My comment never stated an option either way. In fact the post itself is anti-clone if anything. And before you crucify me for buying the clones I bought them a while ago before I even heard of GMK.

I'm just tired of hearing the same angry argument over and over and over again.

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Rogue-Architect t1_ix4mij8 wrote

When someone says to support the community and you say people will do what they want. That is dismissive at best and potentially emboldening. New people need to know. We should not be ok with people “doing what they want.” The support for clones these days is insane and they main reason I am not as engaged in the hobby anymore. Extremely discouraging to see people actively doing something they know hurts the community.

To be fair to you, it sounds like you have come around and don’t purchase clones anymore so I respect that. You are correct that this conversation does need to be over and it needs to be a strong rebuke against anyone that supports clones. We do NOT want them in this community.

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ThatChapThere OP t1_ix4n4iz wrote

I think I'm just more skeptical than you are that minds can be changed. But you're probably right about new people in the hobby being open to new information.

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Rogue-Architect t1_ix4nsrv wrote

Unfortunately you are probably correct. Hence why I am not nearly as engaged in this hobby as I used to be. I do think the cheaper sets that vendors are coming out with should help a lot because I really want people to be able to get the sets they want but we can’t pretend like it doesn’t have an impact. Good on you for making the change though.

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ThatChapThere OP t1_ix4rfqb wrote

I'd never buy clones during an open GB or advertise or promote them.

I have to admit to purchasing some in the past few months, purely because it's next to impossible to find good caps with korean legends and GB wasn't an option since I wanted to make a build for someone in time for Christmas. I didn't feel good about it though.

I'm not likely to go for clones in the future, especially not for myself.

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Rogue-Architect t1_ix4ugez wrote

Yeah and I think that is the big key. They shouldn't be promoted or discussed. Like I have seen people buy a clone set while they wait for their GMK set and I can respect that. Kind of like ripping a CD you own lol.

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ZulkarnaenRafif t1_ix7rp9t wrote

Who the fuck are you make someone else go away?

Get the fuck out with that holier than thou bullshit.

... sorry, never mind me. Don't change, because the popcorn won't pop itself without some heat. And that heatmap on MonkeyType might be saying something about keyboard warriors being keyboard warriors. :)

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humanmrpixel t1_ix3qgr8 wrote

And then you get quality like that lol

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blagflack t1_ix4wxms wrote

Hell nah. That's not the way. If you care so much about the community go contribute on some open source project such as the crkbd, lily58, etc. Otherwise you're just an asshole blaming on people who just want to enjoy the same hobby as you but cannot afford to pay the same price.

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Rogue-Architect t1_ix5226t wrote

" Hell nah. That's not the way."

Oh wait, you are right, stealing from members of this community is the way.

"If you care so much about the community go contribute on some open source project such as the crkbd, lily58, etc."

I have no interest in those projects, so no.

" Otherwise you're just an asshole blaming on people who just want to enjoy the same hobby as you but cannot afford to pay the same price. "

Projection much? You are the one doing an asshole thing, openly stealing from people in this community and encouraging it.

This hobby is not free. In fact, it is typically quite expensive. These are niche products that are run in very small batches only supported by the community. I can tell you are quite new to the hobby so instead of complaining that everything is so expensive and supporting people that steal from people in the hobby, be happy that people in this hobby are trying to bring low cost options that are available for everyone. You think there was a QK65 when I started this hobby? No. It was a Tofu that cost $300+ dollars that was a pretty weak tray mount. To be clear, I am happy that people have options now and could care less if everyone owned every keeb and keycap set I owned because who cares I like them. But sure, don't support the people of this community, instead buy from the Chinese manufacture that stole their IP, offers you are subpar product and then disincentives vendors that are trying to support the community the right way. In case you didn't know, the Olivia set on that board is licensed because Olivia didn't like that her keycap sets were being flipped for so much on the aftermarket. But yeah, go ahead and spit in her face and all of the designers of this hobby.

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blagflack t1_ix53k1d wrote

Don't get me wrong. I completely understand what you mean, and I think you're right with the fact that we should support people in the community. However not everyone is able to spend that much on a set, and blaming on people who buy clones cuz they cannot afford anything better is quite a nasty behaviour.

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Rogue-Architect t1_ix55tsu wrote

Well it sounds like we at least sort of agree. I get that we want everyone to have the opportunity but custom keyboards are much more akin to art pieces than just a functioning electronic piece of equipment.

Don't tell my girl, but they aren't really necessary but instead a luxury item.

So let's continue to support vendors like QwertyKeys who are making options available for everyone and support the people of this community and if you are that strapped and have to buy clones, just keep it to yourself and don't promote it. At least then it is really just about something you want for yourself and aren't showing it off and encouraging others to do the same.

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blagflack t1_ix58021 wrote

Yeah, you're right. Better not to promote clones to avoid damaging community members, however no hate for those who use them.

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Rogue-Architect t1_ix5acp7 wrote

Yeah it is a tough one for sure. This hobby was created so that people could have a keyboard that they love. The problem is that for it to continue we have to support our designers and not just always go the low cost option, particularly when it is just a direct knock off.

It is worth noting that if a clone set doesn't use the novelties, I am much more inclined to be ok with that. Clearly they are taking the colors of a different designer and matching them to appear to be the same set which is obvious by the fact that, outside of their inability to produce the same saturated color, they don't even switch up the hue or anything about the color profile. However, BoW, WoB, beige, etc. sets are all completely fair game.

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ZulkarnaenRafif t1_ix7rcbm wrote

Ah fuck, here we go again.

Just a tip, there's better things to do with GMK vs. clones with someone bringing counterfeit issue. It will get nowhere and will inevitably go down the path of insults.

You get what you paid for. It is what it is. At very least (while not ideal), vendors may offer some sort of warranty if you buy the keycaps from the GMK. Plus, there's other keycap manufacturers that might not break the bank.

You do know that the debate will never end and will get worse.

I'll do you one more just to sizzle the shit pan! Get in to the group buy to resell them at a premium to actually get the in-stock. Let the suckers pay for your extras!

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QWERKey-UK t1_ix7adlb wrote

>This debate has been done to death

I don't care. Support the community and its members who design all the cool stuff you like.... or lose it. Your choice. If you can't afford GMK, then buy something else. There are loads of reasonably priced, nice keycaps that are not counterfeits, why not buy those?

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