NVincarnate t1_j9u26tt wrote on February 24, 2023 at 3:48 PM

$250 a month is still not affordable enough to make a big impact. The Teslas they sell at this price will break down and need expensive repairs like any other car. It isn't like they feature modular batteries. Once it no longer charges it ends up in a scrap heap. Self-driving just resulted in a recall. More drivers in Teslas just means more garbage to throw away in the near future.

I don't want more built-to-break EVs in a scrap yard somewhere. They're built as tough as Hot Wheels. No wonder they're so cheap. Electric cars won't be effective for mass production until the parts they're comprised of are as modular as AA batteries.

im_thatoneguy t1_j9wh9gm wrote on February 25, 2023 at 1:30 AM

You don't pay for any repairs with a lease.

Complaining about the life of EV batteries is a very 1990s complaint. That's what they said about Prius batteries, but Prius went on to be one of the most reliable and popular cars, even for Taxis with hundreds of thousands of miles. The same is true of modern EVs whose batteries very rarely fail and are warrantied for 8-10 years usually anyway.

NVincarnate t1_jaacaa6 wrote on February 28, 2023 at 12:14 AM

I love landfills. I should work hard to earn the money to lease a Tesla for $250 a month on that new plan so I can utilize Auto-Driving right into a tree at 80 MPH. If I live to tell the tale, at least I'll get another one for free.

Thanks for making me realize where the "don't get updates on this" button is. Reddit rules.

bgomers t1_j9ui22f wrote on February 24, 2023 at 5:29 PM

You are completely Ignoring the fact that Tesla batteries last at least 200k miles now with 85% capacity (13 years of driving 15k miles a year), can be upcycled into stationary storage, or recycled into new batteries with 95% efficiency. These aren't 2012 nissan leaf's that need battery replacement after 100k miles. Also Modular batteries are far inferior to load-bearing structural batteries, which is why GM is possibly dropping Ultium altogether.

Electric cars break down less in general because of less moving parts, and you don't have a vibrating engine that wears down the entire car. the only maintenance that increases is tire replacement more often.

$250 a month would make a Tesla affordable to at least 50% of the US population. The average new car price is over $45k and the average car payment in the US today is over $700. And can't forget that in 3 years after the lease is over, all those cars will be resold on the used market, likely costing new buyers with longer terms under $250 a month.

Of course any public transit like a train, bus or tram, or even bicycling is better than any Tesla for global warming and humans in general, But most of the US was built around car infrastructure and Tesla's reduce GHG emissions within this broken system.

"they're built as tough as hot wheels" Model's S, 3, X and Y are the safest cars tested by NHSTA. Remember that Y that flew off a 250 foot cliff last month and everyone survived?

"Electric cars won't be effective for mass production" EV's make up 5% of US sales today, and are over 20% in China and EU. by end of year it should be 10% in the US, and between 30-40% in the EU and China, by 2026 we will likely pass 50% of all cars sold being electric world wide.