RealmKnight t1_j677a1y wrote on January 28, 2023 at 5:05 AM

Yeah, it's unfortunate she's pushing those views outside of the channel, but Isaac's channel is still a goldmine of interesting futurist content. It's understandable if someone wants to avoid the channel for that reason though.

Regarding the others I mentioned, Event Horizon is a podcast with John Michael Godier, a sci-fi author who interviews scientists and others with a passion for tech and futurism.

Koranos is an animated educational channel with a lot of science and scifi content quite similar to Kurzgesagt in presentation and topics.

Curious Reason is a smaller channel that covers technology and space along with geography and economics.

Exa Cognition focuses mainly on tech and doesn't have a lot of videos, but they're all highly polished and cover some interesting topics with a lot of depth (Their series on vertical farming is excellent).

rivenwyrm t1_j6796q8 wrote on January 28, 2023 at 5:24 AM

> Yeah, it's unfortunate she's pushing those views outside of the channel,

yeah :( I couldn't believe it at first, I thought it must be some stirred up controversy so I went and actually watched the video, far from the most horrendous thing I've heard but just ignorant, awful and unapologetic about it. A huge shame IMO.

> but Isaac's channel is still a goldmine of interesting futurist
content.

Yeah incredible content, I watched every video on the channel, some multiple times, before all the BS went down.

> It's understandable if someone wants to avoid the channel for
that reason though.

Indeed, I'm not gonna harass people about it just think they oughta know.

I think I had actually bumped into Event Horizon before but the others are totally new to me. Thanks again for the pointers!

Filip-X5 t1_j684ptj wrote on January 28, 2023 at 12:19 PM

>yeah :( I couldn't believe it at first, I thought it must be some stirred up controversy so I went and actually watched the video, far from the most horrendous thing I've heard but just ignorant, awful and unapologetic about it. A huge shame IMO.

What video??

rivenwyrm t1_j68z3ct wrote on January 28, 2023 at 4:35 PM

This interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIcYdNF_qUo

> “What we do not want is for someone to come in and say, ‘Well, obviously, the German government was right in saying that an Aryan race is superior to all other races, and therefore they were acting rightly when they murdered hundreds of thousands of people for having a different color of skin,’” Fowler Arthur said. “We believe that that is anti-American, and that it goes against everything that America stands for.

First... She demonstrates a massive lack of historical understanding: The Nazis genocided (in cold blood) at least 6 million Jews and many million other minorities, Polish people, Czechs, and other Eastern Europeans. Then she never corrects her statement when she's called out for this inaccuracy.

Second, Jews weren't murdered for having a different skin color, they were murdered because Hitler was an evil insane anti-semite who over time turned Germany into a genocide machine.

> “And so we want to be clear that yes, you should talk about these atrocities that have happened in history, but you also do have an obligation to point out the value that each individual brings to the table,” Fowler Arthur said. “And to encourage students to think of their peers with respect and courtesy, and appreciate them for who they are.”

This is classic Nazi apologism. First you say something kinda tame like this. If they get no push back then the person says something like "Oh yeah and how about Rommel? What a brilliant general, he wasn't really involved in the concentration camps you know." If they don't get push back they follow it up with something like: "You know that most Germans didn't know about the concentration camps right?". If that doesn't get push back they might follow up with "If someone had just stopped Hitler it wouldn't have happened, it's all his fault you know. But he was right that Germany needed more land."

And now all WWII is solely Hitler's fault somehow.

czk_21 t1_j67i91w wrote on January 28, 2023 at 7:10 AM

> so I stopped watching his channel.

why? its not his wife channel or is she making a content for it too?

rivenwyrm t1_j67if1a wrote on January 28, 2023 at 7:12 AM

She was in a lot of his Q&A videos and she benefits financially from money he makes via ads or Patreon, given that they're married.

Ginfly t1_j67mo2o wrote on January 28, 2023 at 8:09 AM

OP doesn't want to give views and ad revenue to a creator who is effectively co-signing activities and rhetoric they find harmful.

MegaNodens t1_j67gps6 wrote on January 28, 2023 at 6:51 AM

That's devastating. I had no idea. How can he abide something like that?

rivenwyrm t1_j67hw54 wrote on January 28, 2023 at 7:06 AM

yeah :( It's really quite sad, I was an avid fan of his content and watched all his vids.

He seems like such a smart guy. I don't really understand how he can be so ahistorical and I don't understand how she can fail to grasp the Holocaust.

> How can he abide something like that?

I don't know, it's mind boggling. He was an election overseer in Ohio so I think perhaps he imagines that as long as he just remains totally neutral by not commenting it's "okay".

Of course, to each their own, he has great content and I'm not gonna harass people who watch his stuff but it's something to keep in mind if you do view his stuff.

MegaNodens t1_j67jm6j wrote on January 28, 2023 at 7:28 AM

I'm... Going to have to think about this. I don't know if doing nothing is an acceptable response.

I like your approach though. To inform without judging. It's very respectful.

rivenwyrm t1_j6andf8 wrote on January 28, 2023 at 11:35 PM

She also did eventually post a "clarification" on facebook.

Here's my opinion on the situation:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/10n4txo/comment/j68z3ct/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

She did eventually post a pseudo-apology:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/10n4txo/comment/j69v5gc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Ginfly t1_j67mgbf wrote on January 28, 2023 at 8:06 AM

This is upsetting information, I really like SFIA

rivenwyrm t1_j68zq16 wrote on January 28, 2023 at 4:39 PM

I really like the content too and Isaac & Sarah seem like pretty nice people so it's definitely surprising to me. Given the scope of her comments it's certainly possible she just bungled the interview, didn't understand why her comments were offensive, became embarrassed and refused to apologize. That's its own problem though it shows a lack of understanding which is pretty concerning for someone writing legislation on teaching, especially legislation impacting how the holocaust is taught.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnoTE9gtPj8

rivenwyrm t1_j6ao3b3 wrote on January 28, 2023 at 11:40 PM

She also did eventually post a "clarification" on facebook. IDK, why do people gotta do stupid shit like this? Anyways I think everyone can make their own call on this but if you do choose to watch his stuff keep it in mind.