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BroomShakzuka t1_is9e1xu wrote

Reply to comment by geonomer in Food Project Proposes Matrix-Style Vertical Chicken Farms [2012] by Leprechan_Sushi

Are you going to give green pastures to 25 billion chickens world wide?

See that green pasture in your mind's eye? That's the matrix marketing departments have worked hard to craft for us. Most chicken only get a glimpse of the sun on the way to the slaughter house.

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geonomer t1_is9fwr7 wrote

Ideally, the world wouldn’t be so overpopulated so we wouldn’t have to raise so many chickens. But unfortunately that is the case, so it’s unrealistic to allow every chicken to roam free. I just think though, that this matrix idea is pretty horrifying. I wouldn’t want to treat any organism like that

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orrk256 t1_is9jvhn wrote

Well, we COULD cut back on meat consumption like these annoying doctors say we should do anyway...

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fmb320 t1_isaasmf wrote

People eat chicken every single day. In America they eat heaps of meat every week. Thats not natural and its not healthy. What needs to happen is that people's diets go in a better direction that mainly consists of vegetables, fruit, pulses, grains etc

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lukedesciscio t1_is9jqqc wrote

you can also just happily live a delicious life that isn't predicated upon eating those that don't want to die.

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BroomShakzuka t1_isalr5m wrote

You could say the world is over populated, but I prefer to think about it in terms of that we're really bad at sharing and caring at the moment.

For example, if everybody would go vegan, we could feed the world many times over and free up a lot of land now used for animal agriculture. Almost 40% of habitable land is used up by animal agriculture. A meat-eater’s diet requires 17 times more land, 14 times more water and 10 times more energy than a vegetarian’s (not even vegan).

https://ourworldindata.org/agricultural-land-by-global-diets

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/what-would-world-look-if-everyone-went-vegan

Not saying that that is the only solution to what you call an overpopulation problem and I call a lack of harmony problem, but it is just one example that goes to show how relatively easy the solution to our problems would be if we were truly such social and cultuted creatures as we pretend to be.

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geonomer t1_isbanec wrote

True, however I also look at overpopulation in terms of natural resources such as water and forests, and it’s evident we’re depleting those resources much too fast with the current population.

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BroomShakzuka t1_isetrhj wrote

Yes, for sure. But it's not like we don't know how we could stop that. Without animal agriculture we can free up a lot of land to rewild. It's going to happen anyway, with the lab grown meat coming, but the question is whether we will be able to avert the biggest disasters. I feel sorry for the next generation; it doesn't bode well for them.

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