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namezam t1_is8ml29 wrote

What a f’n nightmare. I saw a proposal one time where you would keep the chickens in freezing temps so they would want to pack in together by choice. As a guy who grew up on a free range farm, I cannot stand the horrors that come of some of these places. I try to limit my meat intake to places that have a trace of conscious.

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_Mechaloth_ t1_is8satn wrote

Once slaughter-free meat is a thing, I’ll never go back.

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ImNoAlbertFeinstein t1_is8v5o3 wrote

beyond beef

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_Mechaloth_ t1_is8wup7 wrote

Nah. Lab-grown meats.

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Frogloggers t1_is934jq wrote

This is easier said than done... Cultivating meat for mass consumption is an incredibly difficult and complex task, that by most estimates, likely won't end up economically viable enough to replace factory-farmed meat.

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bfnrowifn t1_isbqcxr wrote

Well, one industry is heavily subsidised and the other is still working out the kinks.

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IceColdPorkSoda t1_is8wwly wrote

What about brain dead chickens grown it bags fed with a nutrient solution and hung on racks like a laundromat? If they’re all brain dead they don’t feel or know a thing.

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whales-are-assholes t1_is8z2cl wrote

If people can get shitty about women having the choice to bodily autonomy over a clump of cells, you can be there will be a group of people who will claim that your idea is still wrong.

Might as well just invest in lab grown meat, and do away with large multi hectare farms all together. You can appease your conscious and the world will be less tonnes of CO2.

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IceColdPorkSoda t1_isb3djf wrote

Manufacturing meat in the way that I laid out would definitely be more environmentally friendly in the long run. I'm not opposed to meat grown in large cell cultures either, I just have doubts that researchers will be able to replicate the taste and texture of an actual muscle from an animal.

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Rauleigh t1_isce51p wrote

A lot of the flavor and texture comes from the life experience of the animal. That's why game meat taste so different from domestic animals. I'm all for any environmental improvements but these lengths are wild to maintain current levels of meat consumptions. Like meat is an important part of our omnivorous diet in a lot of ways but this and lab grown is just seems so extreme.

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Bearman637 t1_islpt10 wrote

Often vegans are pro abortion. At least the ones ive spoken to. Im anti abortion.

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ImNoAlbertFeinstein t1_is912rd wrote

if you're not offended by your own imagery you might be lacking humanity

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IceColdPorkSoda t1_isb2x75 wrote

Just wanted to raise the scenario. It's something that people are actually working on. It is a bit of nightmare fuel yes, but definitely less cruel than factory farms. I understand how the imagery can make people squeamish, but most people have never butchered and plucked a chicken before or dressed a dear. They just buy their meat in a nice neat little package from the store and don't really want to know more than that.

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Bearman637 t1_islplds wrote

Honest question, what about bugs....like roaches. Do you have an issue killing them in your house? Ive wondered this about vegans...if you are a vegan that is.

I wont argue im just curious.

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_Mechaloth_ t1_ismqs3z wrote

Thanks for the question. I think it all comes down to the crawlie itself. Insects and arachnids that are generally beneficial - bees, grasshoppers, crickets, wolf and other garden spiders - will be relocated; ones that could potentially harm me or my family - hornets, mosquitoes, brown recluse spiders - will get skooshed.

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geonomer t1_is8r7np wrote

Bruh just give the chickens a life worth living on a nice green pasture and then kill them. Jesus

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pm_me_yo_creditscore t1_is8w2ti wrote

The first one was designed to be a perfect chicken world. Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe the perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, chickens define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that their primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from.

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GetOutOfTheWhey t1_is8u3in wrote

Best we can do is 20-40 chickens in a cage, infections and bone-crushing osteoporosis

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fmb320 t1_isaa9i9 wrote

If they did that you wouldnt be able to afford meat

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BroomShakzuka t1_is9e1xu wrote

Are you going to give green pastures to 25 billion chickens world wide?

See that green pasture in your mind's eye? That's the matrix marketing departments have worked hard to craft for us. Most chicken only get a glimpse of the sun on the way to the slaughter house.

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geonomer t1_is9fwr7 wrote

Ideally, the world wouldn’t be so overpopulated so we wouldn’t have to raise so many chickens. But unfortunately that is the case, so it’s unrealistic to allow every chicken to roam free. I just think though, that this matrix idea is pretty horrifying. I wouldn’t want to treat any organism like that

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orrk256 t1_is9jvhn wrote

Well, we COULD cut back on meat consumption like these annoying doctors say we should do anyway...

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fmb320 t1_isaasmf wrote

People eat chicken every single day. In America they eat heaps of meat every week. Thats not natural and its not healthy. What needs to happen is that people's diets go in a better direction that mainly consists of vegetables, fruit, pulses, grains etc

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lukedesciscio t1_is9jqqc wrote

you can also just happily live a delicious life that isn't predicated upon eating those that don't want to die.

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BroomShakzuka t1_isalr5m wrote

You could say the world is over populated, but I prefer to think about it in terms of that we're really bad at sharing and caring at the moment.

For example, if everybody would go vegan, we could feed the world many times over and free up a lot of land now used for animal agriculture. Almost 40% of habitable land is used up by animal agriculture. A meat-eater’s diet requires 17 times more land, 14 times more water and 10 times more energy than a vegetarian’s (not even vegan).

https://ourworldindata.org/agricultural-land-by-global-diets

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/what-would-world-look-if-everyone-went-vegan

Not saying that that is the only solution to what you call an overpopulation problem and I call a lack of harmony problem, but it is just one example that goes to show how relatively easy the solution to our problems would be if we were truly such social and cultuted creatures as we pretend to be.

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geonomer t1_isbanec wrote

True, however I also look at overpopulation in terms of natural resources such as water and forests, and it’s evident we’re depleting those resources much too fast with the current population.

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BroomShakzuka t1_isetrhj wrote

Yes, for sure. But it's not like we don't know how we could stop that. Without animal agriculture we can free up a lot of land to rewild. It's going to happen anyway, with the lab grown meat coming, but the question is whether we will be able to avert the biggest disasters. I feel sorry for the next generation; it doesn't bode well for them.

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everlasting_bastard t1_is8rhol wrote

I love meat as anyone else but factory farms need need to end through whatever means necessary

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fmb320 t1_isaa45i wrote

Man all farms with thousands of chickens have them packed in there. Free range is still just thousands of chickens all packed together

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Bearman637 t1_islp5ks wrote

Ever owned chickens? They are incredibly stupid animals. After owning them i have zero issue eating them. I think ants would be smarter than them.

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n3w4cc01_1nt t1_is8ncr0 wrote

this is like a nazi experiment gone rogue.

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Just invest in growing lab cultures.

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manitobot t1_is97ye8 wrote

“The question is not, Can they reason?, nor Can they talk? but, Can they suffer? Why should the law refuse its protection to any sensitive being?”

-Bentham, 1789

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pichael288 t1_is8th6v wrote

Food chickens only live for about 90 days. That's fucking heartbreaking on its own but this Mewtwo chicken tech is a nightmare.

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Leprechan_Sushi OP t1_is8jnat wrote

I guess this is one of those inventions that did not take off. A proposed a new system for the mass production of chicken that removes the birds’ cerebral cortex so that they don’t experience the horrors of being packed together tightly in vertical farms. He argues that it would be more humane to have blind chickens than ones that can see.

It does look like nothing came of this.

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stumpdawg t1_is8lwyp wrote

There was an episode of Eureka about this essentially.

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Ogbaba t1_is97oln wrote

This is just wrong. They are living creatures too. If we cant farm their eggs and food without letting them live a good life, then we seriously need to stop.

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koelti t1_isar7gu wrote

well, we don't do that sadly, so yeah I agree, we should stop. Or rather, everyone reading this should stop consuming animal products

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Cool-Specialist9568 t1_is9zr7d wrote

For the survival of our planet and species, I urge anyone reading this to go vegan.

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thatjacob t1_isaabbk wrote

You'll probably get downvoted, but I agree. I still applaud anyone at least taking real steps to reduce their impact, though. We already have affordableish synthetic whey and synthetic casein is set to launch commercially next year. I'd be surprised if lab grown meat wasn't available in grocery stores in a decade.

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Cool-Specialist9568 t1_isafnm4 wrote

I used to get downvoted much more, today atm, I'm up 3, for me that's a huge win.

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smokeyfantastico t1_is8s7np wrote

Rage of the machine songs will still work in the Chicken Matrix films

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aaahhhhhhfine t1_is8ubol wrote

I can't decide if this is actually much more humane than what we do today and, therefore, a real proposal... Or like a Modest Proposal kind of thing...?

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jormungandrsjig t1_isajxgo wrote

Ya, or we could just not slaughter chickens to begin with.

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YnotBbrave t1_is9ix3i wrote

Just put the FB-users chickens in a vr and then kill them later

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PantsOnYourHead t1_isa4nb4 wrote

A cursory google seems to suggest that, aside from being ethically dubious, it was also deemed extremely impractical.

Anyways, even if you accepted their argument on face value, surely it world be less cruel to just engineer a brainless chicken from birth than to surgically lobotomize living ones?

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I guess this is one of those inventions that did not take off. A proposed a new system for the mass production of chicken that removes the birds’ cerebral cortex so that they don’t experience the horrors of being packed together tightly in vertical farms. He argues that it would be more humane to have blind chickens than ones that can see.

It does look like nothing came of this.

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KriosXVII t1_isantla wrote

Not this shit again. It's an art project. No way something like that is even economic compared to normal chicken farms.

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