kepler456 t1_j56bvfw wrote
Reply to comment by Oblong_spheroids in India: The Modi Question (2023) - BBC investigates Indian PM Modi's rise in the Hindu Right-Wing stratosphere and deadly Anti-Muslim and Anti-Sikh Politics [00:59:00] by CryMore36
As another Indian I will say this to all the readers who are not Indian or not too familiar with this:
There is a strong opposition in India and the BJP has bribed most ministers in many states to switch parties AFTER elections. The opposition leader even went on a walk from the south to the north of the country and many prominent personalities joined at different stages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharat_Jodo_Yatra but this does not really get a lot of media attention because most of the news channels are bought by the ruling party, Modis BJP.
Then there is the opposition winning many state elections, but there is a long list of states where the BJP bought over ministers and thus switched the government to their party since they now have the majority. For those ministers that cannot be bribed, Modis BJP threatens them like this: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/join-bjp-or-else-cms-bulldozer-is-ready-mp-minister-warns-congress-members/article66412235.ece These threats are mainly to those who did not already buckle from the pressure of investigations into them. The central bureau of investigations (CBI) that is now controlled by the ruling party even though it is meant to be independent (well known fact) targets the opposition. This is very obvious because 95% of the investigations being conducted are on the opposition: https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/ed-cbi-working-behalf-of-bjp-alleges-congress-leader-chidambaram-2294685-2022-11-08 (for a small opposition to have 95% of the cases it is once again quite obvious that the CBI is in the hands of the ruling party when around 50% of the sitting MLAs in the BJP government have at some point in their lives had criminal charges against them, but this is a feature in India at the moment and is a thing across party lines)
While investigations into the opposition take place people like who are a perfect representation of Modis India publicly ask Hindus to keep their knives sharp to go against the muslims and have no investigations or cases lodged and walk free on the streets of India https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/bjp-mp-pragya-thakur-calls-hindus-keep-knives-sharp-counter-love-jihad-171321
And you have people like this who want to make India like Iran with a religious board keeping check on the population: https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/dharma-censor-board-introduced-to-check-on-anti-religious-content-8393616/
Fun fact:
They (BJP, Modis party) continue to do well in elections in many states not because they think Modi was innocent in 2002 but on the contrary because they know he is not and want the same to happen across the country. There is a strong anti Muslim or antiminority vibe in India. Whatsapp groups of many families of friends, work whatsapp groups (which includes people of all religions) and more are filled with fake anti-muslim anti-minority news. It does not happen in every city, but it happens a lot. If there is a crime commited in India if it is a muslim that did it they make sure it is known that it was a muslim otherwise a man or a women did xxx instead of saying a Hindu man or Hindu woman.
This documentary is about the UKs investigations, but there was the same done in India that came to the same conclusion you can take a look at a summary here: https://sabrangindia.in/article/what-concerned-citizens-tribunal-said-about-role-nda-i-government-godhra or the full report here: http://www.unipune.ac.in/snc/cssh/humanrights/04%20COMMUNAL%20RIOTS/A%20-%20%20ANTI-MUSLIM%20RIOTS/04%20-GUJARAT/f.pdf
Oblong_spheroids t1_j56src3 wrote
> There is a strong opposition in India and the BJP has bribed most ministers in many states to switch parties AFTER elections.
This is true but it happens not just with BJP but with other parties. Countless politicians have left Congress to join AAP and NPP, TMC as well because Congress is just this ineffective. Multiple billion dollar scams will do this to you
> The opposition leader even went on a walk from the south to the north of the country and many prominent personalities joined at different stages: but this does not really get a lot of media attention because most of the news channels are bought by the ruling party, Modis BJP.
Actually it gets tons of coverage. Here are the biggest newspapers in the country talking about it.
I could go on but I have a hunch you will claim these are all biased to Modi somehow, either bought by BJP, Adani etc.
The truth is, no one cares about a stupid walk from A to B. They care about how injustices done to them will be resolved, whether economic, religious and creed/caste based. Rahul Gandhi is considered by many to be inept and insanely corrupt. Even if Modi and his ilk can't solve people's issues, they still see it as a better option than Rahul Gandhi.
There is a reason he is referred to as "Pappu" insultingly and also why he was made fun of for his antics during this campaign.
> Then there is the opposition winning many state elections, but there is a long list of states where the BJP bought over ministers and thus switched the government to their party since they now have the majority. For those ministers that cannot be bribed, Modis BJP threatens them like this: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/join-bjp-or-else-cms-bulldozer-is-ready-mp-minister-warns-congress-members/article66412235.ece
> Hitting back, Guna district Congress chief Harishankar Vijaywargiya said the Minister's remarks have sullied the image of the BJP. "He should exercise restraint in his language. The people of Raghogarh will give a befitting reply to him on January 20 in the polls," Mr. Vijaywargiya said.
And people will vote accordingly to who provides them the best benefit. I think this was out of line for the BJP to say and they need to leash these people, so we can agree there.
> These threats are mainly to those who did not already buckle from the pressure of investigations into them. The central bureau of investigations (CBI) that is now controlled by the ruling party even though it is meant to be independent (well known fact) targets the opposition. This is very obvious because 95% of the investigations being conducted are on the opposition: https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/ed-cbi-working-behalf-of-bjp-alleges-congress-leader-chidambaram-2294685-2022-11-08 (for a small opposition to have 95% of the cases it is once again quite obvious that the CBI is in the hands of the ruling party when around 50% of the sitting MLAs in the BJP government have at some point in their lives had criminal charges against them, but this is a feature in India at the moment and is a thing across party lines)
So you are relying on the claims of a literal opposition member and some of your own numbers to claim CBI is in the hands of the BJP? Listen buddy nothing in India is clean of political influence but if the CBI is in the hands of the BJP why are these BJP ministers also being investigated by the CBI?
I even picked a typically anti-Modi source:
https://www.thequint.com/news/politics/cbi-ed-investigation-bjp-leaders-under-agencies-scanner
If I was as one sided as you, I would claim that the CBI is investigating more Congressis than BJP ministers because Congress has a much more corrupt history than the BJP (this part is undeniably true, denying this is just stupid) so the CBI is now investigating these scams gone uninvestigated. But you don't see me making a claim like that. Because the truth is I am much more balanced than you and you appear to simply shill pro-Congress material for all your talk of IT cells and CBI raids.
> While investigations into the opposition take place people like who are a perfect representation of Modis India publicly ask Hindus to keep their knives sharp to go against the muslims and have no investigations or cases lodged and walk free on the streets of India https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/bjp-mp-pragya-thakur-calls-hindus-keep-knives-sharp-counter-love-jihad-171321
Pragya Thakur is widely regarded as having terrorist tendancies by many people including the BJP electorate. It is still shameful she has not been let go by the BJP for these remarks though.
> And you have people like this who want to make India like Iran with a religious board keeping check on the population: https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/dharma-censor-board-introduced-to-check-on-anti-religious-content-8393616/
What does this have to do with government? Last I checked this guy has no significant political power. And why only mention the Hindu aspect of it? When were you going to mention the Muslim aspect too? As I recall, both Hindu and Muslim extremists protested movies like Pathaan.
This is the problem with people like you and you are ironically why the BJP wins. You will only talk about one side of the problem, and the BJP will simply call you unbalanced (which is true) and thus win over the centrists. And then boom, they are now able to follow through with crazier policies they couldn't have proposed without majority support.
> They (BJP, Modis party) continue to do well in elections in many states not because they think Modi was innocent in 2002 but on the contrary because they know he is not and want the same to happen across the country.
This is objectively false and like I said earlier, you are part of the problem by being this one sided. It is seriously toxic.
When were you going to mention that this riot broke out very early into his term?
When were you going to mention his requests to neighboring states for police help getting rejected?
When were you going to mention that many innocent Hindus also died in this conflict? Especially the women and children in the Godhra train burnings which started all of this?
When were you going to mention Modi was not found guilty by the highest court in the country while the opposition part Congress was in power?
I was expecting a much more nuanced argument from you but this is seriously just unhinged. Modi is no saint but jesus you are no better than Bhakts with how pro-Congress and anti-Modi you are.
> There is a strong anti Muslim or antiminority vibe in India. Whatsapp groups of many families of friends, work whatsapp groups (which includes people of all religions) and more are filled with fake anti-muslim anti-minority news. It does not happen in every city, but it happens a lot. If there is a crime commited in India if it is a muslim that did it they make sure it is known that it was a muslim otherwise a man or a women did xxx instead of saying a Hindu man or Hindu woman.
There is no denying an anti-Muslim rise in rhetoric. Some of it used to be valid (wanting uniform civil code for all regardless of religion, religion specific subsidies etc) but now it has gotten much worse and unreasonable.
The issue is that Modi's government (as I linked you Shekhar Gupta's video) has actually provided for many of their voters, so now it is no longer simply just Hindu vs Muslim but also now infrastructure and pro-business policies. Again, to deny this is just stupid because Shekhar Gupta among many journalists is very anti-Modi and he is the one reporting on how Modi's government has made progress in these fields.
It must be nice living in a one dimensional world like yours. Let me know when you develop color technology as right now you live in black and white
MudiChuthyaHai t1_j59ikhv wrote
You're a bona fide keyboard warrior lmao.
Sadoksad t1_j5r0c2v wrote
Nice username
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