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EarendilHalfElf t1_jeeuaxl wrote

Reply to comment by newmoon23 in My job didn’t work out guys….I got asked to leave once my background came back with the felony court case I’m going through right now. Anyone at all still know where I can work? by Jonny_Balls

And I'm telling you your best bet is to tell them to apply for any job that they see for which they believe they are qualified. If one of those jobs happens to be with my organization, they're going to have no issues about getting the job simply because they have an arrest record. For your part as their attorney, direct them to an employment law attorney who can help them fight the jobs they are in getting simply because of an arrest record. As a criminal defense lawyer you're unlikely in a position to be able to help them with defending their legal rights, but an employment law attorney can do so. So direct them to them because those other companies need to be set straight if they are in fact engaging in that discriminatory practice.

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newmoon23 t1_jeevp7q wrote

See, I know you weren't actually hearing me because you're telling me to have them do exactly what they're already doing.

>those other companies need to be set straight if they are in fact engaging in that discriminatory practice.

Again, zero way to prove this is happening, but everyone knows it's happening.

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EarendilHalfElf t1_jeew7cp wrote

I am listening to what you're saying. And there is a way to prove it, if it's actually happening. If they have no proof that that's what the issue is, then they don't know that it's actually happening. The fact that it's difficult to prove doesn't mean that it is or isn't happening. It's simply means it is difficult to prove. Again, a good employment lawyer can take the facts and dig out the truth if the truth is there to be found because that is literally the job of a lawyer. So yes I am listening to you, now you need to listen to me - hook them up with the good employment attorney.

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newmoon23 t1_jeey1l2 wrote

I am sure my indigent clients will go running to the nearest employment lawyer in the hopes that they will somehow find a way to prove that they aren't getting calls because employers are inappropriately applying EEOC guidelines that flat out say the conduct at issue can be used as a basis not to hire them.

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EarendilHalfElf t1_jeey58f wrote

Again, if you really are a lawyer, then you know the fault with that statement that you just made. That is law, and that's how it works. There's nothing I can do to help you, or your clients with that.

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newmoon23 t1_jeeyjka wrote

That's exactly my point. This happens routinely and there is nothing you or anyone else can do to stop it.

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EarendilHalfElf t1_jeezd5r wrote

I don't know what else to say to you at this point other than to say that as an attorney, your answer should not be it happens and there's nothing nobody can do about it. That's not a particularly good attitude to have, and it also isn't true. And so I'm going to State it one more time, and then I'm going to drop out because now this conversation really is spinning its meals. Nothing is easy to prove, especially claims of discrimination. But if you go to the right attorney, tell them your case, and there's something there to be found Dash that attorney will find it and will run with it. Again, if you actually are a criminal defense attorney, you may be the best one in the state - but that's not what your clients need for this particular issue. Help them with whatever arrest issues they have, but for this issue they don't need a criminal defense attorney, they need an employment attorney. Don't make the decision for somebody else as to whether or not the case can or can't be proven. Either take it on yourself and do the investigating to find out, or give it to somebody who specializes in this particular branch of the law and let them make the decision. You owe it to whatever clients you have to give them the best legal advice. I'm not a practicing attorney, but I am legally trained on this matter and I'm giving you what is at least at the core of what is the best legal advice.

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newmoon23 t1_jeezqs2 wrote

I'm explaining to you the real obstacles that my clients face. They are indigent, they are trying, and they get nowhere. For you to come in and just say "nah this doesn't happen and if it does just hire an employment lawyer" is like, peak privilege.

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EarendilHalfElf t1_jef00sf wrote

I'm sorry man I'm trying not to say this, but I'm really doubting that "I'm a criminal attorney" statement you made there, but again, I have no idea who you are so what do I know. Look I've given you the right answer, I've even tried to explain to you what your obligation is to your own clients. Do it that information what you will - but at this point we now really are simply wasting each other's time. Have a great

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newmoon23 t1_jef5hxa wrote

I don’t care what you believe about my job, “employment law specialist.”

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